Scuderia Ferrari 2023

Are you sure both Ferrari drivers were recruited on equal status ? I have my doubts.
Charles is paid more than Carlos, I think, and that's a clear indication in a team.
Maybe Sainz Jr brought with him more sponsorship (Santander), and scored more points (so far) giving him the impression he is equal to Leclerc.

 

Charles is hardly a 'dominating' driver. Still too many mistakes and issues. No the team does not help but he is not a leader at all to me. Im less impressed this season with Charles. Sainz is the smarter -- in the car tactician. Charles is faster but less astute overall. Sainz pushes back and offers ideas and assessments to the team as he drives.

Team still does not have a focus on performance or attaining a winning status at all. They are drifting and publicly do little to change that perception. Even with a difficult car they appear to not look to maximize its potential so far. Indecisive.

British GP: Charles Leclerc says Ferrari's difficulties at Silverstone surpassed his expectations
Charles Leclerc was ninth and Carlos Sainz 10th in British GP; Ferrari have now gone a whole calendar year without an F1 victory; Fred Vasseur says Ferrari were too conservative during race and should have pushed on more

 

I agree with your assesment of Sainz. Maybe not so fast, he looks more "solid" and obtained more than Charles so far this year.
This season for the first time, I start thinking that he may be a more complete driver than Leclerc.

 

When Vettel left or was booted out, the team put their faith in CL. Sainz appeared and at the beginning both claimed No1 role but the team said there was no No1, they are equal..........Latin philosophy no doubt!

Thats the problem no defined rules or clear leadership and FV just seems to be on the merry go round.........

Perez got a little above his pay grade challenging MV while knowing full well he is and will only ever be the No2, How dare he.......now look at him.

 

I tend to believe that in ANY team, the difference of pay is the clear indication of status.

AFAIK, Leclerc is receiving more than Carlos, meaning they put their faith in him more than in the Spaniard.

Sainz has been fighting for some recognition, and Leclec to preserve his status.

 

Sainz is smart, but more often than not he´s not faster than Leclerc. He also makes mistakes. When he outscored Leclerc, luck and mechanical issues played in his favour.

So far, who is #1 is irrelevant. I think they make a good pairing, both score good points. But if some day I had to decide, I´d choose the faster driver who makes some mistakes, but not more than the other one.

 

So faster driver or more points. I really like CL but unless he can do more than the fast lap. Idk. Last year he could really put on a show, but then the team would blow it. This year he's really not the fast and Carlos seems more solid. I don't think there is any good answer other than Ferrari getting it together. I say keep both drivers and let the faster driver on THAT DAY get priority.

 

Talking about who is number one or who is more complete is like talking about who the skinniest kid at fat camp is. It's completely irrelevant when the car is incapable of challenging for wins. Verstappen does not win a single race in this year's Ferrari.

 

Driver status imo is not irrelevant, the whole team and especially the car is designed around the No1. Do you honestly think red Bull would design a car around Perez or Bryne designed a car around Massa instead of Schumacher!!!!!

The driver is an important part in the design process and dithering about who to go with screws up there direction and ultimately the car, they will do the same for 2024 which is undoubtedly on the drawing board by now. Nothing wrong with the engineering skills just the management of the team.

I had my doubts about CL, being quick is not the only gift you need. Sainz seems to be the more logical, but telling the team over the radio about tyres....his reply......... "you decide, your call" if thats not a sign of desperation and I give up!

 

Ferrari have capable drivers. They need the car and a more competent in-race process to gain results I think.

 

Agree both are capable, not in the same team though.

For me if I was FV i would tell one of them that this year they are going to be the development driver for next years car and hone the car to perfection for remaining races. Then hit the road in 2024 with a well tuned car.

 

Ferrari’s “scared” mindset hampered British GP F1 hopes
Ferrari Formula 1 boss Fred Vasseur says that the Maranello outfit’s British GP was compromised by a conservative approach to tyre usage, with the team a “bit scared” about degradation.

 

I read its just incase Sainz goes to Audi in '25

 

Yep, AUDI will be a team offering some potential in a few years time.

 

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F2003-GA vs SF23

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LOL

 

Via GP Blog Rumor Page — The Ferrari market is not very active at the moment. Drivers Alexander Albon and Lando Norris are said to be on the Italian racing stable's list, but this seems to be off the table for now. According to Motorsport.com, the Scuderia wants to move forward with drivers Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz. First talks with these drivers would follow after the Italian Grand Prix in Monza.

 

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Location, location, location. Top rules in real estate.

excellent engineers, excellent engineers, excellent engineers. Top rules in F1.

SF have excellent drivers but can barely sniff a podium. Tech team needs a reboot NOW.

build a tech center in England if need be. World is a lot smaller now than 20-30 years ago.

 

The new has more total system power (vastly more instant torque), more tire, much bigger dimensions, more weight, I assume more downforce, but far less sound, rpms, and entertainment value. I don’t think the 03 would be that far behind on proper slicks. But regardless, it was more fun to watch and hear.

 

Just be glad the Old Man isn't still running things, kid. He'd eat you for breakfast if you made a mistake.

 

Tires were grooved on the 2003 to slow them down. New tires are slicks to speed them up.

2003 on slicks would probably be faster than the 2023.