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  1. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Correct, but to be fair, this has been happening even before the budget restrictions.
     
  2. jgonzalesm6

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    Las VegasGP 2023

    Scuderia will have a private conversation with GP Organizers about compensation of Sainz's car damage from the water valve.
     
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  3. DF1

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    --https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferrari-to-have-private-discussion-over-sainz-vegas-f1-damage-compensation/10549091/--

    Sainz ran over a metal water valve cover that had come loose and destroyed the chassis, power unit and energy store of his SF-23.

    A precedent for compensation was set after an incident at the 2017 Malaysian GP, where Romain Grosjean's Haas was badly damaged after the Frenchman struck a loose drain cover.

    The US-owned team subsequently negotiated a financial settlement with the Sepang organisers.

    Asked if Ferrari would seek compensation for the Vegas incident, Vasseur said: "This will be a private discussion that I will have with the stakeholders of this."

    In effect, that means Liberty Media and F1, as the race is promoted in-house rather than by a local entity.

    Vasseur stressed the crash also had an impact on Ferrari's budget cap spending, as extra costs will be incurred by the need to fly an extra spare chassis from Italy to Abu Dhabi next weekend as the Maranello crew has started to prepare it straight after the accident.

    "There is no provision into the budget or cost cap, for excluding the crashes," said Vasseur. "For sure you have a lot of extra costs. The loom was damaged, the gearbox was damaged, the battery was damaged, the engine is dead.

    "We have a lot of consequences on the financial side, on the sporting side, and even on the stock of spare parts, and on the budget side for sure it's not an easy one."

    Vasseur indicated that he would also raise the subject of damage from similar incidents beyond the team's control being placed outside the cap: "There will be discussion. The decision, it's another thing."
     
  4. william

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    The anomaly at the Scuderia is why they cannot transform all their Poles into wins.
    The cars can be fast, but they never last at the front. that's puzzling.
    There is one GP left for Ferrari to salvage something from the disastrous 2023 season, compared to 2022.
    In 2022, Ferrari won 4 GPs (Leclerc 3, Sainz 1) finishing 2nd in the WCC with 554 pts.
    There is a chance for Ferrari to retain that ranking this year: Ferrari is only 4 pts behind Mercedes (388 against 392 pts) and has performed better than them lately.

    No such luck on the driver's side. Leclerc was 2nd last year, Sainz 5th.
    This year Sainz is (before Abu Dhabi) 4th and Leclerc 7th, both with very slim chances to improve. .
     
  5. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-multiple-facets-behind-sainzs-growing-stature-at-ferrari/10547872/

    There were questions about the dynamic between Sainz and team-mate Charles Leclerc; about some of the ways the intense competition between them had occasionally frayed more than the matey official Ferrari social media posts would suggest; about whether Sainz really was the best
long-term partner for Leclerc, who remains the team’s primary driver
in heart and mind, even if Ferrari doesn’t designate them as one and
two, and both are treated equally.

    But Sainz – who still has other options outside Ferrari for 2025, particularly at what will become Audi – has changed minds in his favour. As the season comes to its close, his desire to stay is matched by Ferrari’s wish to keep him. Things can change, of course, but for now it looks as
if Sainz and Leclerc – for whom a new contract is a given – will be continuing together at Maranello for some time to come.
     
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  6. william

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    The AUDI option will really exist from 2026 , when the new formula arrives and they take control of Sauber.
    Until then Sainz probably prefers "to keep his powder dry" at Ferrari, and not show his intentions.
    It would be daft for him to reveal his plans so far in advance, not knowing the outcome.
     
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  7. jpalmito

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    Again car is conceptually flawed to maintain a competitive pace against RB during races.
    Nothing new.
    Since first winter test in Bahreïn the written was on the wall already.
    We just have to hope for a more competitive car next year.
     
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  8. therryzsx

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    A little off topic question, Europe will ban to sell petrol cars in 2035, then how long F1 will be run on combustion engines? They will go for e-fuel or hydrogen?
     
  9. jgonzalesm6

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    F1 will phase in Biofuels to fuel their cars with help from Shell(Ferrari), Petronas(Mercedes), and Esso(ExxonMobil)-RedBull.

    DHL(transportation semi's) already uses biofuels.

    The teams trucks in the European circuit also uses biofuels.

    Biofuels burn cleanly with zero percent emissions while still using the ICE platform.
     
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  10. Bas

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    Bio or E fuels will be their only option.
    Fully electric will kill the sport in an instant. 90% of the audience will be wiped out
     
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    It is a common misperception that biofuels burn cleanly. The tailpipe emissions of a biofeul blend suitable for a gasoline ICE are the same as normal fuel because the molecules that comprise the blend are identical or nearly so to the molecules of standard fuel (i.e.hydrocarbons in both cases).

    The "carbon offset" comes in the production process of the fuel.

    Bill
     
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    They will probably reverse this stupid idea soon enough
     
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    Empty vessels make the most sound - Aristotle, 1932
     
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    Italy has voted that down and Germany may also
     
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    Yes, some gamble on that.
    But in the meantime, sales of electric cars are capturing an increasing share of the market.
     
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    Most companies making these EV's are making a loss.....like in the billions. These EV's are too high priced and people are not warming up them at the moment.

    Here in the states, the government even gives cash back(I believe it's over $6,000) IF you buy an EV......but still, hardly anyone is buying them here.
     
  19. william

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    It's the same in some countries in Europe; there are financial incentives for people to buy electric cars.
    But many know that the deadline is still 12 years away, and they will buy 2 or 3 cars before that.
    Huge efforts have been made for recharging though, and that was the main worry.
    Facts are that electric cars are still on average 1/3 more expensive than thermic ones. Soon we will have second hands though.
    By a quick rule of thumbs, their running cost can be as low as 1/5 of a thermic car (if charged at home).
    Here in Europe, electric car buyers are mostly young middle-class, who have never been hooked on engines.
    The young generations will buy electric, I'm sure, to follow the ecolo trend.
     
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    Wait until these people need to change the batteries on their EV vehicles. $20,000 bills are going to be hard to swallow.
     
  21. william

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    How much does it cost to exchange engine and transmission on a thermic car by comparison?
    Progress are made on batteries lifespan too. Some cars are offered with extended battery warranty.
    Also, new ways of repairing faulty elements now exist, not necessitating a complete battery change.
    An electric car has already passed the 200 000 miles mark, with the original battery still 80% operational.
     
  22. Mitch Alsup

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    Consider, then, the cost of a Ferrari Engine rebuild.............
     
  23. SS454

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    Depends on the vehicle of course, but it's still fractions of what it'd cost to replace an EV battery. Not to mention a lot of ICE repairs do not require replacement of the entire engine. 200,000 miles isn't all that much. There are engines running for over 50 years without being replaced. Sure they may not be efficient like today's engines, but they get from A to B just fine.

    For 90% of typical oil fed vehicles, most of the stuff can be found in junk yards. Has anyone seen a Tesla in a junkyard? There's no way some handyman is going to the junk yard to rip out an EV battery and scoop it for $2000. Not to mention the environmental impact of all these batteries going to landfills and scrap yards.

    The perfect solution was the hybrid, and yet mass corruption decided EV was the way. Cost of living has skyrocketed, a lot do to increase fuel prices, carbon tax, and monstrous increase in electric bills. Environment continues to get worse, or at the least isn't getting any better. Yup, everything is worse for the common person just trying to survive.

    Anyways, this is hardly Ferrari 2023 topic.
     
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    If a Ferrari is your daily driver, kudos to you haha.
     
  25. Mitch Alsup

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    Currently running at 8% market share, up 50% from 4 years ago.

    {{Note: I am not advocating for or against EVs.}}
     

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