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Scuderia shield bedded into 328 fender

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  1. ducowti

    ducowti Formula 3

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    To wit the SF shields were not original on the 328. These metal shields (on an 86 Euro) are laid into a recess - would this require stamping fender formation? The symmetry and straightness of the lines appear to suggest mechanical vs hand-produced, but maybe some of you body experts can speak to that.

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  2. Rifledriver

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    Good metal workers have been doing work like that by hand since we have been using sheet metal for bodies. I am 67. When I was a teenager the 80 something guy next door had been a body man. He was still doing that kind of work by hand.

    These days I suspect a few shops have made dies to do it but there are still people that can do it the old way. Probably starting with a 10 x 10 or so piece of sheet steel and pressing it with dies then welding the new section into the fender.

    Certainly not my choice on a 328.
     
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  3. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    There was a guy in Atlanta that did this. I don't remember who but I was looking at one in the FAF showroom years ago when I was told it wasn't factory but instead done at a customer's request there in town. It was unbelievably good work.
     
  4. Ferrari Tech

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    Bo Pirkle did it in Atlanta. He always did a great job on.
     
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  5. ducowti

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    Mine is a GTS. That car looks like a B.

    Great pics - cool to see how that’s done.
     
  6. nerofer

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    Well, interesting, nice job, but why would you do this?
    If you look at the great racing Ferraris of the past, most often than not, the "scudetto" were simply stickers (or decals) slapped on the paint, and here you are...
    No need to cut through the fenders, etc...put a sticker, and you're good (even if not "period correct" on a production car before 1998...)
    And when you'll grew tired of the shield, just tear it off.

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  7. Rifledriver

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    Ruins a perfectly good car.
     
  8. Ferrari Tech

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    It is true that the race cars were painted or stickers but any street car had them recessed in the fender. To have it done as the factory would do it, recess is the way. I have had many cars with what I called puffy stickers on the fender. I have even installed quite a few for clients. I like the idea of being able to remove it if you don't like it. As well, I have removed some. I have also had clients want the actual metal shield "stuck" on. I have cut the studs off the back and used double sided tape to "stick" them on.
     
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  9. nerofer

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    Sorry to beat the proverbial dead horse here...but...there were no factory shields on any road cars before 1998. So for any road car produced before 1998, it is - sorry again for being pedantic - not very useful to consider how the factory would have done it, because it simply wouldn't.
    The only production cars with shields were those intended for participating in some form of competition (read here: 288 GTO for instance)

    That being said, I'm not "against" them; to my eyes (and my eyes only), shields on a 328 are a sin indeed, but a minor one.
    But beating a recess for a shield in the metal of a 328 fender, even if beautifully done (and, being from a family of craftsmen: originally blacksmiths, carpenteres, etc...I can appreciate the handycraft...) doesn't make sense, unless one is sure to keep the car -and the shields on it - for ever.

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  10. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    It's a matter of opinion only. There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to how someone changes their car to suit their personal taste.

    My first memories of seeing a 308 in the flesh include seeing those "slow down" lights, the burlapish white headliner and the little slanted "i" on the back. I was 13.

    So when I bought my QV in 97 I installed the slow down cat warning lamps on both sides of the steering column (mine is an 84 with a single cat and one light up high), changed the headliner to the 2Vi material (probably the last roll of the exact material available anywhere on earth at the time) changed the oil psi, fuel and water to the style used in the 2Vi based on my photos of an 81 model I took in 1983, swapped the cigarette lighter based on the same pics and I took a drill to the rear bodywork, punched in two holes and moved the 308 up in the new holes and put in the GTSi below it where the 308 was, and swapped the Momo steering wheel for the black spoked Nardi.

    Of course I could have simply bought an 81 or 82 model (horizontal instruments on the console) but the 84 QV is a better car.

    That's how I wanted my car and I don't give a damn who doesn't like it. Not one single bit and really after 26 years no one has cared anyway. Who do I need to answer to in the 308/Ferrari community?

    If someone wants to bang in shields, more power to them.
     
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  11. nerofer

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    And "Amen" to that.

    In fact, my own '89 328 GTB has shields; No? yes it has indeed (the sticker type)! The former owner put these on after I saw the pictures of the car, but before I bought it. I've kept on saying to myself that I should take these off, but I bought the car in September 2008, and the shields are still on today...
    That being said, hammered recesses might be an hindrance to a future sale, but: why think about a sale? Drive the car, that's what these were made for.

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    288, F40 F50 all had shields, all were production cars (Limited maybe but 272 cars is certainly a substantial number by Ferrari standards) and except for a very few F40s modified by outside vendors none were intended for competition (nor were they raced). All were prior to 1998. The Evolutione which was built for racing was quite different and was not built with shields.

    The earliest shields were hand painted. Close to one of the dealers I worked at a collector had an Alfa Romeo P3, an ex Scuderia Ferrari car. He brought it by the dealer on his way back from picking it up from being air freighted back to the states. This was in about 1986. The man who hand painted the SF shield on the cars for the Scuderia was still alive and the owner flew the car to him so he could hand paint the shields.
     
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  13. Sergio Tavares

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    Bo Pirkle is the super painter . He told me his client at track day hurt the ferrari thursday and he flew up to paint it so yes, it win the Concorso Sunday. He did not sleep, only work.
    Only leave the paint booth for immediate cigarette :)
     
  14. maurice70

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    I like it but yet wouldn't do it to my own car,,
    I have the thin metal Yoshi shield but only on the drivers side,, not on both.

    I once saw the recessed shield on a GT4..
     
  15. 4rePhill

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    It seems like a lot of effort and money, to try to make something look "factory" when it isn't "factory", whereas the stick-stick-on shields do the exact same job for very little effort or money, whilst leaving the car "factory" underneath.

    Added to that, the stick-on shields are easily reversible to take the car back to "factory", whilst the recessed wings are not (you'd have to cut the wings again to revert the car back to "factory" again)

    Each to their own, but I wouldn't be cutting my wings up to achieve something that the metal stick-on shields achieve just as well (and let's be honest here, 99.9% [totally made up percentage] of people don't know if Ferrari shields should be recessed or not, even on models that came from the factory with the option of having shields fitted)
     
  16. RodC328gts

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    I do like it a lot. The 288 GTO is one of my favorite and it has a recessed shield. And IMHO the 288 is like the pure breed of the 308.

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    If it looks good on a 288 GTO, why wouldn’t it look good on a 308?
     
  18. RodC328gts

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    why not ?

    it’s Ferrari. Enzo created race cars and many had the shields.

    I understand that many people prefer to keep the car original as it comes from the dealer. But that doesn’t necessarily means the shield doesn’t look good.
     
  19. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    So many owners won't even drive them. And forget asking them to do a track day in one.

    Not thoroughly exercising these cars with lots of enjoyable miles is a far bigger crime to me than a couple of extremely well done inset fender shields.
     
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  20. Schulz308

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    They all look great.

    It takes all kinds to make a world.

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