Scumbags destroy BMW M5 during Vancouver Riots

This is humanities true face. The three piece suits and wine tasting is all a facade. We are a violent, primal, species.

 

That car is worth more than the lives of a lot of those people. Even the value of car when it's been burned down. There are a lot of people in society with a value that is negative (they cause more harm than good...i.e. murderers, thieves, rioters).

Thankfully it wasn't an E39.

 

its just a car. That lady is kinda lucky nothing bad happened to her. Let insurance take care of it and walk away

 

****ing Morons ! Where's the AK47 dealer when u need one ?

 

If only. http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/08/19/bmw-m5-owner-left-with-bill-for-torched-car-after-vancouver-riot/

 

A bunch of losers....
They will be losers for life and then die peniless,bitter losers....

 

dont think insurance will cover it for a riot unless you have the special policy that does. maybe different in canada though.

 

She should have run a few over! ******bags!

 

Agreed.

The streets were buzzing that night, and one could definitely feel that something was going to happen, especially with the media hyping the '94 riots; felt as if Vancouver had a reputation to live up to.

A number of people came prepared as well, wearing balaclavas, carrying small hammers etc. But driving downtown was the first mistake.

Post from local online article:
"VPD must have taken a month off due to 'riot stress' because with the crystal clear video evidence available it is hard to believe that no charges have been laid."

 

of course because destroying a car = death sentence...

and I imagine if it wasn't a "nice" car this would not even be a thread/mention here.

these things happen all and no one pays attention until it's an M5.

those posts makes you no different than them in the complete disregard for property or life.

defend your family/friends safety/lives to the death, defending stuff is what insurance is for, call your agent and press charges and get a few shots in like the girls did if you can.

 

This is exactly why I carry concealed. Those girls are extremely lucky the crowd didn't suddenly turn on them. Mob mentality is a scary thing and it may have taken one small act for them to get violent and start attacking them too.

 

so what would you have done, shoot anyone doing damage to your vehicle and not threatening you directly?

a clip takes care of a few, once that's gone you're gone regardless as they are only going to get mad and make you pay for shooting at them.

the girls were lucky, a gun would have solved nothing and only amplified an already bad situation.

if they were smart they would have cabbed home and dealt with it the next day as they were incapable of stopping anything.

With no direct threat to the girls I don't buy the value of a gun in that scenario for a minute.

 

Yeah, because i'm sure a cab would've been just fine in that environment. You should try reading a post before replying next time. I stated that they were very lucky the crowd didn't become violent towards them. As for your pacifist attitude, give me a break, just a few posts above you stated "defend your family/friends safety/lives to the death, defending stuff is what insurance is for, call your agent and press charges and get a few shots in like the girls did if you can." Get a few shots in? So you're advocating assault and battery to defend public property but not lethal force? You really believe the crowd couldn't have just as easily turned on them for hitting back? Violent mobs are not predictable and they quite often escalate to be much worse than the one in that video. Those people you see in that video are perfectly capable of murdering innocent people and eating each other. They don't think rationally and don't have sympathy for the innocent. Had that crowd turned violent those girls would've had no way of getting out of there. Having a weapon would've given them much better chances of getting away had things gone that way.

Why are you so quick to defend the lives of people who would endanger innocent lives in that sort of situation? These people have no respect for private property, personal safety, or human life. Why should I care about them? Why should the insurance company have to pay to replace that car just because someone felt like destroying it for no reason? Insurance companies are private businesses. They may be much bigger than a small mom and pop restaurant, but the costs of this wreck get spread out to everyone. Insurance companies aren't a get out of jail free card. They're not a safety net that comes out of nowhere and the money from them doesn't grow on trees. The cost of this incident gets spread out when everyones premiums increase to make up for it. Someone who has so little value over another person's property or rights does not deserve any respect from me. I have no sympathy for people who murder, steal, commit fraud, or destroy public property. This car was a piece of private property, and people who destroy private property are criminals. What if that woman had just bought a $50,000 watch and the mob destroyed that instead? It may not be insured, what would you say then? Private property is private property and I don't believe for a second that a mob destroying a Yugo is any different than a mob destroying a Veyron.

I fail to see why i'm supposed to respect the lives of people who have no respect for anyone else's. What exactly are these people contributing to society that i'm supposed to just sit around an let this sort of behavior continue? Are they curing cancer? Are they making breakthroughs in theoretical physics? No, they're drunk and destroying peoples lives for fun. People who do these things do not deserve our sympathy. People like you are so quick to defend criminals, yet you seem to completely forget about the victims in all of this. What did those girls do that you feel they should have to put up with that kind of behavior from those people? Why should someone let their car be destroyed just because someone felt like getting drunk and being stupid? Had those girls pulled out a gun and shot one of those people destroying their car I would have absolutely no problem with it. It may be an improper escalation of force but in the grand scheme of right and wrong, they would be in the right in my mind. You need to remember that the CRIMINALS are the ones destroying that car, not the two girls. That concept seems lost on people like you. People who act like this deserve harsh punishments and they don't deserve our sympathy. They don't deserve our respect, and they should not be allowed to get away with behavior like this. Criminals who get injured or killed doing violent acts do not deserve any sympathy, PERIOD.

 

I agree with everything in this post. Well said.

 

Walking away and not acknowledging ownership of the M5 would have been the safest move for these girls. No one in the crowd would have been the wiser and walking 3 or 4 blocks in any direction most likely would have gotten them out of immediate danger and to a cab or a place where friend or family would have picked them up. conference me in when you tell your daughter to take on that mob as they did armed or not... seriously???

tell me confronting a mob either as they did or with a concealed weapon would have been the best path for these girls and the rational minded will laugh heartily.

I did, hence the retort that didn't single anyone out, just the prevailing bandwagon attitude that killing people over damaging a car is somehow rational.

pacifist, so solving it guns blazing and killing anyone that took a shot at the car is the solution to this unfortunate event?

you advocated running scumbags over, I advocated a few cheap shots tongue in cheek that was inconsistent with the rest of my post, you got me ... sort of...

you advocated potential death as opposed to my black eye if they got a clean shot in. that's a few level's of magnitude different than death by getting run over when they had the ability to walk away once confronted by the situation that happened.

drama much? they beat up a car... yes they could have turned but they didn't as they were given more and more opportunity to fight back with each shot the girls took at the crowd.

LOL, newsflash - they got away... even after a series of poor choices in confronting the crowd verbally and physically, they aren't dead, the car is, while unfortunate, so what. A gun would have made that situation much worse than it already was. why do you think PD doesn't go in with real bullets first to disperse a crowd?

I didn't, I said they didn't deserve a death sentence because they made a bad decision to destroy a car.

you really think ALL of those people in that crowd fit that description and were having a meeting of the "we have no respect for private property, personal safety, or human life club," Seriously. It was a bunch of people who with little to no premeditation went off on a car an a rage of group stupidity.

so would you like insurance to pay the replacement cost on the M5 or the million'$ a wrongful death case would cost against anyone doing the shooting without just cause. even PD tells you to give them what they want and to walk/run away given a chance.

see what I did there, I'm more than aware of how insurance works...

I don't respect them either but death sentence for all? that's no different mob mentality than what they displayed.

as for the Yugo vs. Veyron, why is it the "Veyron" is the only one that would get the thread or the post about it's demise at the hands of a mob, we know why... that's my point.

they killed a car, not a person, there's a difference.

you have no idea what they could go on too, you're fooling yourself if you think you do.

a car was destroyed, not lives from the video... you can't surmise anything more.

LOL, I said they should have walked away for their safety as opposed to taking on a mob, how is that forgetting about the victims.

assume much? why should someone put themselves at risk and take on a mob that they have no chance in changing any outcome to said M5.

so what you are saying is all criminals deserve deadly force. I should be able to shoot you as you go 66mph past me because that is the point which laws define people to be traveling to fast and pose a threat to those around them. a car going 66mph can kill as effectively as a bullet so are we all agreed on that, going 66mph makes one a criminal and I should be allowed to use deadly force to stop you?

no one said they should be allowed to get away with anything, they don't deserve dead. arguing otherwise as I mentioned makes your mob no different than the mob in the video which seems lost on you/like minded.

 

Be careful, elitist comments with 10% unemployment makes us targets...

 

Spoken like a true Chicagoan. What a joke.

 

La., what a surprise...

so please illustrate to the class how a CW would have stopped anything in that video from happening.

and

please(note the politeness) transcribe your conversation with your daughter as to what to do when faced with those same circumstances so we can all learn and know what to tell our daughter's...

 

Yeah, alfas, you're right. It's not the mob's fault at all. It's the girls' fault this happened. If they had only walked away, not been there, and let the mob do whatever they wanted things would've been fine. We can't hold the mob accountable for their actions or punish them. No, in typical liberal fashion we have to ignore the actions of criminals and put the blame and inconvenience for their actions on the victims. Yeah, right...

My point about having a CCW was that as violent mobs can be unpredictable and those two girls in the video were incredibly lucky it didn't get violent. Events like this are part of the reason I carry. It would not have taken much for the mob to become even more violent and things to get worse. If that had happened the girls would've had no chance of getting out. Even if they didn't have enough ammo to deal with the crowd, in a lethal force encounter it's better than nothing. The girls are very lucky that the mob didn't become more violent, as mobs often do.

I never said I would just pull a gun out and start shooting people, but if those girls had done so on that video I would have no personal moral objections to it. The rioters are clearly the bad guys and grownup rules should apply. Don't want to get hurt? Don't act stupid. If I served on a jury for a case like that I would refuse to convict, regardless of the way the laws are written.

Personally, I tend to avoid areas where stupid drunks can do stupid things to normal law-abiding people like myself. Part of carrying a weapon means having a good awareness of your surroundings and not getting into situations like this in the first place, but there is no excuse for what the rioters did. I still maintain that the rioters were the bad guys. If bad guys get killed doing bad things to good people I have no problem with it. There is absolutely no excuse for people behaving this way. You can talk all you want about how it's "just a car" and how a scumbag criminal's life is sooooo much more important somehow, how insurance will cover it, the girls should've walked away, etc.. etc...

The fact remains, those girls should never have been put in that situation in the first place by those rioters. Those rioters should not have started vandalizing private property and acting that way. Why people like you make excuses and defend criminal behavior from punishment is beyond me. I guarantee if I came to your house, torched your cars, burned your house down and destroyed all your finances, you'd be calling for my crucifixion. It's so much easier to be compassionate from an internet keyboard and play the bleeding heart liberal card. Actually... just a hunch, what do you do for a living? Cause you honestly sound a lot like a criminal defense attorney...

 

how many incorrect words are you going to put in my mouth tonight...

no where, and I mean no where do I say it was right for the mob to do what it did so why don't you man up and stop the HS debate BS tactic to say I'm defending anyone in this mess who played part in the crimes of the evening.

ignore nothing... I said preserve YOURSELVES in the midst of a mob and don't worry about STUFF as it can be replaced as opposed to stay in harm's way with no shot at changing the outcome of a dead M5 and don't agree with the chorus of mow down the MOB.

who's inconvenient now? Liberal has what to do with self preservation, seriously, you'd walk into that mob and expect to disperse them yourself with or without a CW. I'd rather be at home with my family because I was "liberal" enough to go home as opposed to dead with family graveside because I was so hell bent in my conservative pry it from my cold dead finger's belief that you don't eff with a man's car and caused my own demise by being stupid enough to take on a MOB.

You are a lot of good to your family when you are 6' under because defending your car was more important than going home to them and letting it burn to the ground.

agree to mob being unpredictable and girl's lucky, disagree that a CCW would have changed the outcome in this video.

car killing mob's break out where you live when the home team loses?

2 against a mob with a clip of bullet's doesn't matter and dead is dead once they would have lit the fuse with a first shot...

ummm, this one killed a car(or more, maybe looted I suspect a bit and I imagine a few got hurt - haven't read all the report's and assuming normal mob/post home team loss activity while not defending the actions in any regard as you continue to insist I do) and called it a night

people deserve to be dead over attacking a car, seriously?

we're not arguing about who's the bad guy as you insist we are.

seems you want anarchy then, why have laws yet you want there to be judge/jury in the street? that's where you want to live. OK, I get to shoot you for doing 66mph regardless of the way laws are written because you could hurt me/my family.

don't get out much then? drunks can find you anywhere... alley, street, hwy, home, anywhere. can't really avoid them as they are highly mobile...

part of NOT carrying a weapon is having a good awareness of your surroundings and not getting into situation's like this in the first place...

please show us where one was offered.

please show where we disagree.

and then of course there is a percentage of "bad" guy's that do indeed deserve justice to be meted out to them. but your insistence the WHOLE group of offender's was 100% bad guy/criminal's is long odd's... my guess is there could be yours, a neighbor's or son/daughter in that crowd that was out with friend's on a night that started innocently with a few drink's, a few more, and the despondency of the loss takes over and then bam, they take a single drunk fueled shot at the car and they are the one person dead in the crowd because of a person defending their STUFF with bullet's.

how would you approach that? they deserved it and got what was coming, hell no that can't happen, my/my friend's kids would never do that. the world you live in is that perfect with this being 100% not possible? I never did anything like this but like many here have done a dumb thing or two that could have ended badly yet one could surmise most have gone on to accomplish things.

what's incorrect about any of it when the above mentioned kid on a bender is dead because of a dumb decision to take a whack at a car or worse, one of the girls are because they were stubborn and stayed and defended their stuff despite overwhelming odd's being 2 of them vs. a MOB that could have taken them out at any given moment.

you refuse to answer if you'd advise YOUR daughter to stay and do what they did.

say it was your M5 you scrimped/saved to earn, and you saw the video on the news and it was your daughter's there.

you 'd be proud with that level of risk they stayed in harm's way with a mounting mob and defended dad's M5 to the death of a few criminal's or opportunist's and the only reason they fought was because they knew how much you loved your car.

or would you tell them to get the hell out of there at the earliest possible chance and let the car burn as it did as long as they were safe...

please show me where I offered anything to disagree on that point.

please show me where I offered anything to disagree on that point.

Please show me where I excused their behavior or defended it in any way.

My not seeking death for the perp's as vengeance for the life of my car in no way rationalized, defended, or support's the mobs action's. Not sure why you can't see that point in all of this.

If I had the choice to walk away from a maniac intent on doing harm to my stuff with no possible chance of me/my actions changing the ultimate outcome I would let the youtube video's work out the lawsuits and charges. Insurance is there for a reason.

you really mean to tell me you'd shoot a criminal with your CW with them ONLY being destructive/threatening to your stuff and not you/your families person. YOU would defend your STUFF to the death of someone else... really?

It's so much easier to be kill the scumbag's tough guy from an internet keyboard and play the bad ass NRA carrying card.

FTFY...

seem's your incorrect on more than just valuing stuff over a life tonight...

 

Maybe not, but had the video gone that way my reaction would've been "Hah! Serves them right." not "Oh my god, those unfortunate people! I feel so sorry for them!" I really don't feel much respect for the lives of the people destroying that vehicle. I am a firm believer that stupid should hurt. Being in a mob and being drunk is no excuse for criminal acts of violence. There is an old saying that people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them, and I think it's very true.

Yeah, because speeding 1 mph over the limit is entirely comparable to violently attacking another person and destroying private property. Now you're REALLY reaching...

Yeah, and if I am in fear of death or bodily injury I have no problem with using lethal force as a response to save my own life. Would you like to argue that I don't have the right to live and i'm supposed to let someone kill or hurt me just because they can't put the glass down? As I said before, stupid should hurt. I can drink alcohol and not pick fights with strangers and destroy property, what excuse does anyone else have to do these things? Do you really think being drunk is an excuse to attack people now?

So you're saying that alcohol is a shield that should protect someone from being held accountable for their actions? I don't care if they're drunk or not. If you pick up that drink you are still held accountable for your actions and the repercussions of those actions. Hang out with the wrong crowd, hey too bad. If you get in a car with 3 other people and they go rob a liquor store and kill someone, guess what? You can be charged as an accessory. Don't hang out with stupid people. Are you saying if you saw a crowd of people destroying a car that you'd hang out with them and watch? I'd be getting as far away from there as I could and notifying the police.

Probably not, but honestly only due to legal repercussions. Moral beliefs though, that's a different story. I have no moral objections to someone in that situation killing everyone in that crowd. It's the honest truth. What value could you possibly find in the lives of those animals? They show no respect for you, me, or anyone else and are contributing nothing to society except causing harm to other people and destroying things. Society has this mistaken idea that EVERY life is precious, EVERY life is sacred. The truth of the matter is that it isn't. Life is common, it's often wasted, and sometimes it's wrongly taken from some really good people. In a perfect universe everyone would be a perfect citizen; polite, respectful, courteous, etc... But we don't live in a perfect universe, and people kill each other all the time. When I hear on the news that some bad person died do I care? Meh, not really... It may sound a bit cold, but it's the honest truth. I save my sympathy and compassion for people who have earned it, in this case the only ones I felt sympathy for were the two girls who had their car destroyed by a bunch of oxygen thieves.

Be honest, if that video showed those girls shooting one of those people wrecking their car, would you REALLY have cared? You may have been suprised, maybe a little shocked at the response, as would I, but I honestly wouldn't have any pity for the person. Answer me this, what possible reason can you give me that I should care the slightest bit about any of the people in that mob, given the behavior exhibited in that video? This is no different than those security camera videos showing a person robbing a conveniance store, where the clerk takes the badguys gun and chases him out of the store shooting at him. I don't feel compassion for bad people who pick the wrong victims. The world is a violent place and there's a lot of bad people out there who don't deserve my sympathy.

Criminals who get injured, dismembered, and killed committing violent criminal acts deserve every single bit of what comes to them, and I genuinely believe that. I go out of my way to respect others throughout my life. I don't ding peoples cars when I get in and out of mine. I don't steal from others. I don't destroy property. I'm a very polite person and respectful of others, but why should I genuinely care about someone who shows so little disregard to everyone else? I once had my car broken into several years ago and several things stolen out of it. Do you think I care at all about the scumbag that did it? NO! I hope they cross the wrong person somewhere down the line and end up dead and rotting in a gutter. It would serve them right. I don't have sympathy or compassion for them, why should I? They could die tomorrow and I can honestly say I wouldn't be the least bit sad about it, infact i'd probably celebrate. Oh, and i'd want my stuff back.

 

The Seattle riots were organized by Leftists bringing together about 50,000 crazies from everywhere.

Now they are trying to gather even more loons and cause chaos.

Best bet is to get the H out of whatever city they target & stay off the streets.

Miami had an event soon after Seattle but here they chose a hotel surrounded by water on 2 sides and the Cops closed the highway ramps and had their armored vehicles out so nothing happened in Miami thankfully

 

I agree that "stupid should hurt". monetary payback, jail term, even PD doing what they need to to regain control of a situation such as this with no lethal means provided threats are to nothing more than stuff. Threaten a life all bets are off

But "stupid should hurt" is a lot different than "stupid should be dead" which is the point I am arguing.

you rationalize killing people over stuff, who's reaching? same potential for the innocent to be dead should things go bad. you either want laws to govern society or you don't which is it?

and the only people doing the "violent attacking of a person" were the girls as I really don't see anyone in the mob doing them any harm other than to put them off their attacks.

no where do I or anyone argue it's not OK to defend yourself from an immediate threat to your/family/friends life despite you deriding me. So why don't you save yourself the typing.

again, no where do I or anyone defend the drunk and stupid or actual criminal's and say it's OK for them to get away with bad behavior as you seem to think I am. So why not stop that typing as well?

as I mentioned "stupid should hurt" is a LOT different that "stupid should be dead" which is what was being advocated by the group think mob here with their post's making them little different than the mob in the video.

nowhere do I say anything of the sort.

we were talking about the video, not your posed scenario. if you get dead because you killed someone/accessory to that, I've not argued once against lethal force if a life is directly threatened as you seem convinced I have.

you're in broken record mode now and didn't address my points direcly in my last post about these statements... do that and we'll talk further.

I have the same sympathy despite you being convinced I don't, I said no one deserved dead because of killing a car, it's just stuff, mistakes are made, people have made them and moved on to better. there's no going back after being dead, no reboot, no do over.

I, like you, don't feel remorse/sorry for the criminal/bad either and that's not where the debate started.

if the car was yugo would it have even been posted here. and yes I'd be a little shocked at 2 girls with a gun taking on a mob attacking their car. I'd call it more than a little reckless as in that scenario the innocent had just as much opportunity to getting shot as the criminal.

you cared enough to show disgust to the point of saying run them over, other's were even less kind with their contribution's in a similar mob fueled rage. my contention is the behavior is little different than the mob in question.

this was not that scenario of the video that started this, you change the points for what reason?

A friend, roommate, fraternity brother, groomsman, of mine's father was murdered by 3 teenager's all to get his credit cards so they could buy a few things. If you want to make an argument for a lack of respect for life and to be deserving dead because of it that's where my bar is set. He never met his grandchildren, missed out on old age, etc., etc..

bloodlust for that/similar circumstance is one thing, the video that started this was amateur hour by a bunch of idiot's(and some criminal's even) in a mob/drunk fueled bout of stupid.

they deserve PD to stop them, charges to be filed and restitution to be paid, not dead as it was just stuff and stuff at teh end of the day is just stuff, even that 16mil TR that just sold...

and BTW - you and other's still haven't told us what you'll tell your daughter faced with the same situation in the video... still curious, would it be go in guns blazing and defend daddy's hard earned M5 risking their lives against a mob or go home and call it a day. interesting how you avoid that direct question repeatedly.

just gets back to internet tough guy status... another hunch