SDL flashing cold start ( ECU reads 1200 degrees right cat) | FerrariChat

SDL flashing cold start ( ECU reads 1200 degrees right cat)

Discussion in '348/355' started by Drock28, Oct 15, 2014.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Drock28

    Drock28 Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
    1,430
    Montreal
    Full Name:
    Tony
    hi,

    I started a somewhat similar thread, in regards to disabling the Thermo ECUs while using test pipes, but gave up on that, to stick with stock cats.. so decided to start fresh thread.. more specific to my issue right now..

    to "recap", shortly after purchasing my car, I noticed the SDL didnt come on at ignition, brought car to my mechanic, and indeed the bulb was pulled.

    my mechanic is very experienced, 30years with Fcars, but im not a mechanic,therefore my only source of info/feedback is here, when im not standing there in front of my him. so I cant help but reach out for feeback..

    after putting in new bulb, the SDL would flash all the time right from cold start..no matter what.

    the first step was to put in 2 new thermo boxes, same result.. the SDL would still flash when cold. he has seperate diagnostic system, and the engine ECU indicates the right cat is at 1200 degrees?? now we know that is not possible..

    also my oem cats are brand new, theyve been inspected and in good condition.

    so im thinking it must be the actuall thermo probes, that go into the cats, that are dead..?

    how do you test if the probes are actually functionning..?

    what concerns me more, is he suggest it could be something more severe with the electonics or an issue with the actual engine ECU..?

    all feedback is appreciated..
     
  2. Dave rocks

    Dave rocks F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Nov 23, 2012
    16,047
    Orchard Park, NY
    Full Name:
    Dave Lelonek
    Send a PM to drbob101 and he can tell you how to test the thermocouples
     
  3. jwiner2

    jwiner2 Karting

    Jan 1, 2012
    61
    Hamburg, NY
    Could be the cat ECU'S. Mine was flashing on cold start and I replaced the cat ecu's and all is good now.
     
  4. Drock28

    Drock28 Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
    1,430
    Montreal
    Full Name:
    Tony
    hi, thanks for feedback..
    but to my understanding the cat ecu's are the Thermo boxes that I mentioned above..
    two black boxes in the right/rear corner, that the thermo wires plug too.
    we tested 2 new boxes, and the SDL still keeps flashing..
     
  5. Dave rocks

    Dave rocks F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Nov 23, 2012
    16,047
    Orchard Park, NY
    Full Name:
    Dave Lelonek
    If your car is a 5.2, you have 3 TCU's. One for each CAT and one for the bypass valve
     
  6. Drock28

    Drock28 Formula 3

    Jan 13, 2013
    1,430
    Montreal
    Full Name:
    Tony
    ok yes it is a 5.2

    previous poster referred to them a cat ecu's
    I though he meant the control boxes.
     
  7. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 26, 2012
    3,821
    Tinton Falls, NJ
    Full Name:
    Bob Ferraris
    Sent you a pm.

    You may not have needed new cat ecu as it may be a TC.

    There are three cat ecu/ SDECU/ exhaust gas heat transmitters, etc. one is on the left side under the engine bay trim valance and the other two are on the right side down lower behind the wheel on a sub panel.

    There are 3 thermocouples , one in each cat right and left and one center after the bypass valve. All components are identical. R/l/c.

    The best and in my opinion the only wsy to properly diagnose what's going on is to put a tap on the output line of each ecu and measure the voltage real time under all conditions. Cold warm and hot.

    Without doing this you are buying and swapping around $400 units that may not be the issue and relying on a single light that has no locational guidance as to where the issue is.

    If your fcar mechanic has 30 years experience and doesn't know this and is just buying boxes on your nickel. Well I'll let you finish that sentence.
     
  8. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 10, 2002
    28,902
    socal
    Bob,

    What happened to your write up of the aftermarket SDECU and the source for connector conversion parts to make the aftermarket SDECU Ferrari plug and play? Didn't the aftermarket SDECU work or was it not robust enough to stand the test of time?
     
  9. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 26, 2012
    3,821
    Tinton Falls, NJ
    Full Name:
    Bob Ferraris
    Carl im running three of the egt boxes in my car now. They work fine as I still have the taps on and watch them but they start out cold at .2-.3v and a blinking sdl until after awhile. The OEM ecu output .5 cold and I am reasonably sure this is the issue. Once the sdl goes out all is well.

    I have three new Tc that I made up installed as well. I have reached out to another outfit that makes a similar box at a similar price and ran the issue by a tech there who was very knowledgable about what's going on and of course anything can be built to spec for a price but he did say he was going to see if their stock unit could be programmed to output like the OEM. We got as far as me sending him the output curve and him acknowledging the voltage requirements but that's all.
     
  10. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner

    Aug 10, 2002
    28,902
    socal
    Keep at it Bob. A substitute for the OEM units at that price point would be a major coup in keeping money in owner's pockets instead of stoking retirement plans at Ferrari.
     
  11. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 26, 2012
    3,821
    Tinton Falls, NJ
    Full Name:
    Bob Ferraris
    #11 drbob101, Oct 16, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    Was going to write a whole dissertation here but ill just post this.

    For the Op or anyone else that wants to do this in your own car here is a great source for the positaps and insulated spades. He has a $5 minimum on orders and ships right away USPS without crazy shipping charges. I have bought some of our connectors from him as well as crimp tools as well. Instructional stuff on proper crimping also.

    No affiliation even though he is a Jersey guy!

    Posi-lock and Molex Permaseal Connectors

    Motorcycle Spade Terminals

    Here is a list of what I would order as his pages dont give direct links to the individual pieces.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  12. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 26, 2012
    3,821
    Tinton Falls, NJ
    Full Name:
    Bob Ferraris
    #12 drbob101, Oct 16, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    This is someone elses work from a prior thread. FBB can attest to who John is, I'm sorry I don't know but this is the output curve of the SDECUs when functioning properly.

    NOTE: When either the ECU 4 port connector or the TC are unplugged, the signal wire reads 5V to the car ECU. This is why merely unplugging them will just complicate things. You can use Jevs flat lined voltage transmitter to fool the ECU with no protection or work through diagnosing and fixing whats wrong
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  13. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Nov 29, 2001
    13,516
    San Carlos, CA
    Full Name:
    Mitchell Le
    Drock

    You will want to isolate which of the three circuits is giving you the flashing light problem. You can do this by removing each of the TCU and its Thermal Probe, connecting up a test rig and reading the output signals on the bench.
     
  14. drbob101

    drbob101 F1 Rookie
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Nov 26, 2012
    3,821
    Tinton Falls, NJ
    Full Name:
    Bob Ferraris
    Sorry Mitchel but it is much easier to add the taps and test everything in the car. There is no power supply need, the heat generation for the TC is in the car, you don't need to connect multiple things to the ecu on the bench and you don't have to remove what doesn't need to me removed.

    It would take anyone all of 5 minutes with the positaps, a known working TC and a voltmeter to know what is working and what isn't.
     

Share This Page