SE 30 thread

LOL. I love your posts!

Look, much as we all love the SE, I think we are getting carried away. F1 technology? Maybe, but to keep things in perspective, adjustable roll-bar settings in-cockpit is very old F1 technology since the late 1960s in F1 cars, and pressure molded sand-cast magnesium wheels won every Indy 500 from 1946 on! Also, dry carbon fiber is not necessarily a plus to me. I mean, dry cf means pre-impregnated with resin before curing as opposed to wet cf which is the opposite, so because you cant manipulate its production very much, the finished product of dry cf has lots of variations and has a tendency to warp and 'creep' over time and personally I think the 'cabin-creaking' that it is famous for emanating can only be truly eliminated if you go to wet cf, and that's why Lamborgini did! Give them props, it was a cool experiment in a badass-looking car, acceptable perhaps in a rally or race car, but hardly tolerable in a road car.

I think the main appeal of the car is its Limited Edition status, and its sexy/sporty look.

 

Your F40 buyer who shells out the price of multiple Diablos for one could care less about the appointments of leather, radio, etc. Heck, the F40 is so bare it doesn't even have traditional door-openers - you simply pull a wire! There are no carpets and you open the windows by manual crank. 2 cloth seats, shifter, steering, some gauges - only the things you need for going fast.

True, top speed of a Diablo may be higher, but when are you ever going to see that on your local freeway? At more relevant 0-100 mph the F40 absolutely blitzes the Diablo. Also, the WAY in which the F40 delivers its power is likely the most exhilarating automotive experience available.

Car & Driver did a comparison between the 2 cars circa 1992. It makes for interesting reading.

 

"Especially when Lamborghini engineering's access to F1 technology definitely trickled into the se30. And the more people know about this, the more they appreciate the se30 for what it is.. that is perhaps why it has been commanding a premium over a standard diablo."

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!

There isn't one once of F1 technology in an SE30. The only thing they have in common is they both have 4 wheels.

The car kicks ass, is a blast to drive and to at least to me, the best looking of the entire Diablo range let alone one of the best looking Lamborghini's period. But F1..no.

 

Agree 110%...can say what ever you want, but IMO the SE30 is one of the best cars I have ever had...every time I drive it my smile just gets bigger bigger!

 

Not at all what I was suggesting. My point is that the essense of a car is what enthusiasts buy and buy into which is why an F40 is worth so much more. On paper there is not alot in it between the two but the F 40 just has that extra something that a standard Diablo of the time doesnt. Mind you I would rather own a couple Lambos than one F 40 anyday but I am a Lambo guy. The SE 30, encompasses much of what the F 40 has as far as a spartan interior and much racier feel, which is why I love that car and think it to be a huge bargain right now.

 

On this day, there was quite a lot, according to Car & Driver.

But, I go either way: Lamborghini or Ferrari, depending on what I want to appreciate.
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The SE is closer to the F40 in overall "feel" than the early Diablo though, and it does look as aggressive...
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So what's the difference between 60s F1 technology and 90s F1 technology? I don't think my statement of the car having F1 technology is false then.. As to Lamborghini engineering having input would speculative. But I can't help but think that the features on the se which was a great departure from the traditional features present in previous diablos to have some input from L engineering. Unless I'm wrong, dry carbon is indeed F1 tech is it not? As to the dry Vs wet, the fact is that it is costlier to produce, yields better quality, and is lighter. Whether it stands up better to the test of time was probably not the foremost concern... Wet carbon might hold up better becaus of it thicker cloth/resin ratio. But then again, weight and strength would not have been as good... So dry carbon seems to me more consistent with the nature of the car...

 

Didn't Joe state there is F1 technology on that car already? the jota package isn't derived from F1? The variable intake tech isn't derived from F1?

 

ADVANCED. ADVANCED.

Thats what you said! Repeatedly. Are you forgetting your own posts? Please review what you write before commenting or you sound as if you are actually making my own point

I was simply illustrating that there was nothing advanced about adjustable roll bars and magnesium wheels in 1994. Nothing. That's a fact.

Whilst we all love the SE, you are overstating the car's heritage, and getting carried away a bit...

 

Joe, how many production cars in the past or present ever had in cockpit antiroll bar adjustment? I would think that apart from race cars, there weren't many cars then with that feature.. So for a road car, that's not advanced? I think perhaps there is a slightly different standard of what advanced should mean. But yes, perhaps I am too carried away by this. The se30 is nothing more than factory fixed up diablo.

 

LOL. You must be an attorney! We all think the SE 30 is VERY special. But the F1 comparo and waxing "advanced" is stretching things. But, I admire & respect your enthusiasm!

 

We have sold our SE30. The new owner flew in an expert from outside the US to inspect the car. The car passed and sold very close to our asking price.

 

Old clip, but still amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zHmPLWHhcA

 

Orange SE30 spotted in Macau this week. Kind of strange that it's missing the slots in its windows & 2 fog lights in the lower grill. Rear bumper looks a tad strange. Could also be the Shanghai car, though.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8967/lamdiablose30macau.jpg
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1388/lamdiablose30macau2.jpg
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/179/lamdiablose30macau3.jpg

 

Thanks. Originally purple, the orange is aftermarket, no orange SE were made. Some SE had the electronic windows installed like this one.
Would love to find out the # of this one

What Shanghai car are you referring to?

 

Another one who couldn't live with the poorly positioned and almost inoperable mail-slot windows...

 

If anybody is interested this is the company which produces the Alcantara material which Lamborghini sourced for the SE30 (and later Murci and Gallardo models) http://www.alcantara.com/it/corporate/azienda/azienda.shtml


I was thingking of getting a few yards until Emilio and I went to go see a well used SE30 with over 90,000 Km on the clock, the original blue Alcantara driver seat was still in good condition, leather would have never lasted, especially due to the wear on entry and exit.

Alex

 

Found these cleaning instruction on the site as well.



Maintenance instructions
Alcantara® is the registered trademark of the innovative material, exclusively produced by Alcantara S.p.A.
Elegant and functional at the same time, Alcantara® combines qualities such as softness, and richness of colour, and is particularly stain resistant and easy to maintain.
It can be used in innovative and prestigious ways in furnishings, in car upholstery, in the world of fashion and in clothing accessories.

Ordinary maintenance
In order to preserve the beauty of Alcantara® it is recommended that regular cleaning is carried out.
Don’t rub too vigorously, and we don’t recommend using steam machines.

Daily cleaning
It is sufficient to dust Alcantara® using a soft brush, a dry cloth, or a vacuum cleaner.

Weekly cleaning
After having dusted Alcantara®, run a slightly moistened white cotton cloth over it. Avoid the use of printed absorbent cloths/papers as they can release ink onto the material.

Yearly cleaning
If the upholstery is removable, it is recommended that you wash it in a washing-machine, following the instructions below (general washing instructions).

If the upholstery is not removable it is possible to clean Alcantara®, by using specific products listed in the web-site www.alcantara.com. If such products are not available, please follow these instructions: dust the material with care; moisten a soft cloth or a sponge in clean water, wring it thoroughly and run it over the whole Alcantara® material, making sure not to wet it excessively; rinse the cloth or sponge and repeat as necessary. Leave to dry (overnight). Once dried, in order to restore the material, brush it delicately with a soft bristle brush.

General washing instructions
If it is necessary to fully wash the furniture’s removable upholstery due to extensive staining, follow the washing instructions below carefully:

In case of removable upholstery, Alcantara® can be safely machine washed with water at about 30° C and a mild detergent; do not spin-dry. If there are Velcro fastenings along the edges of the upholstery, they must be protected with counter-Velcro before washing in order not to damage the upholstery.

Once the upholstery is washed, let it dry in the open air and brush it delicately with a soft bristle brush.
Alcantara® is not to be bleached with chlorine.

If necessary, Alcantara® can be ironed, making sure that a white cloth is put between the iron and the product. The base of the iron must not reach a temperature higher than 110°C.

In case of dry cleaning, trichloroethylene must not be used and direct contact with steam machines must be avoided. The use of the “spray extraction machine” is allowed only at low temperature. For the cleaning of non-removable upholstery follow the instructions given in the section “yearly cleaning”.

General instructions for stains removal

In the case of localised stains, and when the specific products for the cleaning of Alcantara® are not available, (a list of such products is available on the web-site www.alcantara.com), the upholstery can
be cleaned as follows:
act immediately (within 30 minutes) and begin treating the • stain from the outside edge into the centre in order to avoid the stain spreading;

never pour a cleaning product directly onto Alcantara• ®;

before removing the stain, remove any of the substance that • has fallen on the upholstery: if it’s thick (yoghurt, jam, etc.) use a spoon or a plastic spatula; for liquids, use non printed absorbent paper or a sponge;

avoid rubbing to prevent the stain from spreading or going • deep into the material;

use a white cloth or a well wrung sponge for the removal of • the stains;

if you use a sponge, rinse it in clean water and wring it well • between each wipe.

For the specific treatment of the different types of stains and the relative materials that should be used, follow the instructions below.

Water-soluble stains
It is recommended that you use the specific products for Alcantara® cleaning, (a list of which is available on www.alcantara.com); if the products listed are not available, it is recommended, depending on the type of stain, that you should use water, lemon juice, or pure ethyl alcohol (from liquors) and follow the instructions below:
Fruit juice, jam, jelly, syrup, ketchup: use lukewarm water, rinse by dabbing with clean water.
Blood, egg, excrement, urine: use cold water; avoid warm water because it makes these substances coagulate, rinse by dabbing with clean water. Liquors, alcoholic beverages, wine, beer, coke and tea: use lukewarm water; if the colour mark remains, treat it with lemon juice and then rinse it well.
Indelible pencil, cocoa, chocolate, pastry with cream or chocolate, ice-cream, mustard: use lukewarm water; rinse by dabbing with clean water.
Vinegar, hair gel, tomato sauce, coffee with sugar: use lemon juice and then wipe with lukewarm water; rinse by dabbing with clean water.

Stains not soluble in water
It is recommended that you should use the specific products for Alcantara® cleaning, (a list of which is available on www.alcantara.com); if the products listed are not available, it is recommended, depending on the type of stain, that you should use water, or lemon juice or pure ethyl alcohol (from liquors) and follow the instructions below.
Lipstick, foundation, mascara, eye-shadow, perfume, shoe polish, oil and grease in general, grass stains and felt tips in general (including the indelible kind): rub with ethyl alcohol, then with water and rinse.
For grass stains and felt tips, which are quite difficult to remove, especially on light colours, it is necessary to act as soon as possible in order to prevent them from becoming too “dry”.
Chewing-gum and wax: put a plastic bag full of ice on the stain; when the material becomes hard remove the pieces and then treat with ethyl alcohol.

Resistant stains
Repeat the above described treatments as often as necessary.
Even the stains that are not soluble in water often require to be treated afterwards with water.

Old stains of unknown origin
First of all treat with lukewarm water, then rinse by dabbing them with clean water. If you see that the stain begins to dissolve in the water, repeat the treatment as often as necessary; let it dry and, if necessary, treat with ethyl alcohol.

Brands and certifications
Alcantara S.p.A.’s quality system conforms to the UNI EN ISO 9001:2000 standard and also to the ISO TS 16949:2002 technical standard, which is used in particular for accreditation with the principal companies in the auto market.
The environmental management system conforms to the latest edition of the UNI EN ISO 14001:2004 standard.
The certifications for the systems mentioned above are issued by the ICIM.
The Oeko-Tex brand certifies that a product is not harmful to health under conditions of normal use.

 

So, this is what the thread started with, but did the event ever take place? How many US SE were you able to trace?

 

Some photos taken earlier this summer in Calgary. What a rare treat!
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tks to Alex for finding for me this SE30 item

i finally completed the 3 SE30 yearbooks (93-94-95)
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Diablo SE owners, could you please tell me what exact items/documents you got together with the car. I've seen different sets for European and US cars. Some include gloves, also there seem to be two different types of pouches. Please post some pics.
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Well Jonas, the first picture is the kit which came with number 105. And I beleive it is complete for the Euro version. I also found in one of the vompartments the Alpine instruction booklet of the radio/CD player.

 

Yes Alex, I know it is yours. What is the white item underneath the SE supplement?