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Seat Belt Recommendation?

Discussion in '206/246' started by MRONY, Jul 2, 2008.

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  1. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

    Mar 17, 2007
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    New York City
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    Mike O.
    My '74 GTS still has the original lap belts (well, it still has the original pretty much everything)... and I'm tired of feeling like I'm taking stupid risks with my own and my passenger's safety. I might very occasionally take the car out on a track just for fun laps.

    Any recommendations for a low-impact 4-point system? I hate logos, neon colors and all that crap.

    Also, any pointers on mounting points??
     
  2. dan360

    dan360 F1 Rookie

    Feb 18, 2003
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    Well - 4 point is not a good idea if you roll over, esp if mounted well. The point of 3 point is for you to move sideways in the event of the roof being compressed in a roll over, which you can't do with a 4 point harness.

    I'd personally say this is not a good mod to a chairs/flares car. Fitting the Euro 3-point belts is probably more reasonable, but perhaps doesn't really offer a great deal more safety in a track situation. Either will "keep you in the car". The 3 point may stop you hitting the steering wheel, but probably wouldn't in a decent crash.

    Another pointer - a 246 is super slow if you take it out with other f-cars on the track, and if you've not done much track driving it can be intimidating to have people buzzing by you at +50mph in a 360.

    If safety is a big deal, then the Dino's not the best choice full stop whatever belts you have. You should think of it as somewhat safer than a motorbike, but nowhere near as safe as a modern car.

    All of the above said, Schroth do make a bunch of 4 point harnesses designed for road cars. Joe Marko at HMS motorsports (north of Boston) is the importer and all round expert on their safety versus other belt systems :)
     
  3. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    ssnake-oyl.com I think.

    they'll rebuild them for you.

    As to exact replacements, they don't exist. Plain and simple. There are some new styles out there, dinoparts.de and superformance.co.uk both have them.

    Dave M.
     
  4. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

    Mar 17, 2007
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    To match speed with modern cars in the Dino, just to have a nice quick couple of laps with no ticket worries, and let the 400+hp crowd get their jollies by staying out of their way! If I need a little more ego gratification, I'll roll out the 355. Then I'll buy a Veyron. Then I'll be dead.

    I don't think there's much doubt that some sort of upper body restraint is a good idea just for driving... I'm not really planning for a 140mph slam dunk into a wall...

    Also, I don't think I'd be allowed on any track without it, even if I were all by myself...
     
  5. 500tr

    500tr Formula 3

    Feb 28, 2004
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    May I ask you to send me some pics from your old belts, just to see which original belts are mounted at a 74' GTS, thank you.
     
  6. DinoDriver

    DinoDriver Formula Junior

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    #6 DinoDriver, Jul 5, 2008
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    Mike,

    I did a conversion many years ago when I was using the Dino primarily for track events. I wanted to stay "period" with the belts so I stayed away from the more modern systems and went with this simple 4 point Simpson system. It served me well. Is this what you had in mind?

    Bill
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  7. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    from the web for a few days...
    The Simpson set up isn't bad, but if it's acceptable at the track, I think I'd rather try the "OEM" 3-point belt from Dino Parts.
    I'll post pix of the belts in my car tomorrow...
     
  8. MRONY

    MRONY Formula Junior

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    #8 MRONY, Jul 7, 2008
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  9. DinoDriver

    DinoDriver Formula Junior

    Mar 14, 2005
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    Mike, yes, the 3-point OEM system is usually acceptable at FCA track events, certainly in the White and Blue groups. Check with whatever region is organizing the event. I can't comment for other hosting organizations like POC or BMW clubs. You asked for recommendations for a low-impact (not sure what the definition of that is) 4-point system. I can only tell you that the feeling you get when strapped into a car on the track with a 4 or 5-point system is totally different than with a 3-point system. The tighter you are "bound" into the seat, the more you can feel what the car is doing and the less your body has to fight the g-forces while you are controlling the car. Throw a good racing seat into this equation and the driver can function that much better. If your goal on the track is to drive near the limits of the Dino and you have a good set of street legal track tires (I used 225/50ZR16, Yokohama A008, which are no longer available, on a BBS style wheel), you will need more than a 3-point system.

    Btw, what Dan360 said about the Dino being super slow compared with modern Ferraris is absolutely true. You'll be okay in the White Group (commonly called "Touring" - moderate speeds, usually not more than 100mph allowed on straights and less in corners). In the "Sports Run" groups, usually called "Blue" and "Red," speed is unlimited and you are grouped Blue or Red, according to driver and car capabilities. It would be rare for a Dino to be in the Red group. Overall, I think your idea about "roll out the 355" is really a good one. It's a much better track car and it cost a hell of a lot less to replace should something happen . . . :-((

    Bill
     

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