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  1. djs308

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    #1 djs308, Apr 24, 2015
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    I have a 1987 3.2 coupe. The front passenger seat belt has a bit of trouble when trying to extend the belt, when buckling in. Note: The retractor is working fine. The belt retracts without problem. But when trying to pull out the belt, it only extends a couple of inches at a time, before it grabs tight. I can get it to extend by patiently pulling it slowly, a little bit at a time. Eventually, it comes out sufficiently. It functions just fine while driving, and appears to be doing its job. The other 3 belts in the car do not have this issue.

    Any advice on how to fix this? Is this is a DYI kind of job and just a matter of cleaning out 28+ years of crud in the mechanism?

    First, how do I even get the trim panel off to get inside to the mechanism? (Yes, I am new at this sort of thing, but willing to explore!) ;)

    I figure I'd give it a shot before considering a replacement. My brief research shows the assembly is part number 60834900. Unfortunately, this is usually a not-in-stock item at the vendors I checked. Is there a cross-over "generic" equivalent?
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    As I remember ...first take the back seat (lower part) out. Its hold by 1 bolt under the seat behind carpet. Upper part seat has 2 bolts/screws visible underside. Once bolts are removed, pull that part pushing upwards.
    Then a little screw holding framework with covering (middle part) just beside the door.
    That upper part and lower part can be removed removing the screws but belt will be captive inside upper part...you have to remove the retractor at the same time.
    I dont remember if that small upper molding have to be removed also.
    The retractor itself needs just a little grease on the moving parts.

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    Thanks for the info. Would you please elaborate on where the "screw holding framework..." is located? Are these steps relatively easy to accomplish? Anything tricky to be aware of in this process?
     
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    First find out if that belt is'nt turned 180 degrees close to retractor. Pull that belt completly until rectractor stops. That would be enough to see if belt is turned. Then try to move belt for and backwards several times to see if retractor spring has enough strenght.

    Sorry, I dont have access to my mondial for the moment, I'm still in holiday.
    I cant remember position of that screw that holds middle part...or it has to be just beside door well in the middle of that part or is hidden behind seat. If hidden behind seat, pull seat like mentioned, and you will find 1 or 2 screws. Once that screws are removed, you can pull that part direction door. It has hidden flaps behind...

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    #6 theunissenguido, Apr 26, 2015
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    That middle part clicks in to that opening beside door well.
    Upper seat part clicks in that opening in the middle of seat.

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    Thanks for the info and photos! Very much appreciated. I had no idea the retractor was located that far down on the body panel. Wow, they really did not make it easy to get to it.

    Anyway, I did the test of pulling out the belt all the way. The belt was not twisted or kinked, so that was good news. I "exercised" it a bit, by pulling it out and letting it retract several times. This seems to have helped a little bit! I'm finding that it's now a little bit easier to extend it, but clearly it is by no means "fixed".

    Are all those bolts and screws relatively easy to get to and undo?
     
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    I would say in 10 minits you have the whole bunch out...
    Maybe the carpet you have to glue it back...or make a cross just above that bolt.

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    #9 afterburner, Apr 28, 2015
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    When I got my car, both front belts didn't roll in and out smoothly, and the edges were damaged with loose threads appearing.
    Removing the rear quarter panels revealed misalignment of the belt direction with the reel axis. This led to resistance and damage to the belt edge. Using the existing mounting hole in the reel bracket resulted in the skewed mounting angle (both sides) due to the triangular space available.
    You can see the abrasive powder from the belt rubbing on the reel housing.
    I drilled another, slightly off-centre mounting hole on the existing bracket and now the reel mounts almost at 90° to the belt pull direction, and therefore runs smoothly.
    Those were original Ferrari belts. I later replaced them with a new set.
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    hmmm interesting. So this came out of factory like this? Both sides were like this? Mine do not come out easily too.. not that difficult but sometimes a bit annoying.
     
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    #11 afterburner, Apr 28, 2015
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    Yes I am positive it was original. OEM parts with Ferrari signs on them and no signs of "intrusion" - safety paint present on nuts and bolts.
    Additionally, the upper slot going through the panel is too far back to cover the entire swing of the vertical part of the belt when it is pulled forward at different heights. I have elongated the slots to the front and fabricated a covers. All free moving now.
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    Hmmm. This sounds like a very serious issue and should be dealt with quickly. My suggestion would be to sell the Coupe to a new, appreciative owner in Austin, Texas... :)

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    LOL! But I just couldn't bring myself to sell a car with such a serious issue. Wouldn't be the right thing to do. Not to mention, I just discovered my car is missing the foam insulation block under the front bonnet. I don't think anyone would want to go anywhere near my car knowing about that! J/k ;)

    But seriously, keep your eyes open. I'm sure a really good 3.2 coupe will pop up somewhere soon.
     
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    I have an extra foam piece you can have for the shipping cost. Replaced mine two years ago and it is holding up good.

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    :) There are a number of really beautiful Mondials shown here regularly, but for some reason your Coupe really checks all of the boxes for me. I love it!

    What a great community. That's a wonderful offer on your part!

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    Thanks 2cam! If you ever head out east to NY, let me know. I'll be happy to show you the car. One thing I can tell you is even the best of these cars have flaws. They are sometimes even amusing, but, hey, it's a 28 year old car. Part of the fun of owning one is getting to fix things up.

    Thanks ceb39 for your generous offer! Just sent you an email.
     
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    Reviving this 7 year old thread with an update:
    I've managed to keep the passenger seat belt usable all this time. However, it has now been determined that the belt is in need of replacement. Unfortunately, I've discovered that new Mondial 3.2 belts are nowhere to be found in the US, at this time. Checking Europe next, but thus far, not finding much. My preference is to go with NEW or NOS.

    Anyone know of any vendors with a belt "in-stock"?

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    Remove your belt and send it to these folks, who can repair / replace / reweb your old belt and mechanism:

    https://www.safetyrestore.com/

    Reasonable pricing and quick turn-around, I've used them several times for various cars.

    DM
     
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    Dave, that's awesome! Good to know. I'll check into that. Thank you
     
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    thanks for posting the link Dave
     
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    I had the same problem. I took it out, lubricated the mechanism and it solved my problem.


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    Usually the belt mechanism is misaligned after tugging for years, the mechanism rotates on its bolt. Need to loosen the bolt and realign. The great post in this thread shows how to do that. There is probably dust, hair and such in the mechanism. You brush off the debris and spray a teflon based cleaner dry lube inside the mechanism.
     
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    Yup, that's how I managed to keep it working sufficiently for the last few years. But it's failing again and it's just time to get it properly repaired. Having it sent to the shop mentioned above, and should be good to go soon.
     
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    Just one final comment on these folks.

    I certainly do understand the Ferrari mentality of trying to make replaced / repaired items match as closely to OEM as one can do. So, for this case, asking these belt folks to repair your existing belt mechanism might be the best way for you to go (and they can certainly accommodate that philosophy).

    However, rather than reusing your 40-year-old fabric belts, one might be better served to have them replace the webbing with new. Matching the existing belt webbing with new, in an exact color match and reusing the OEM buckles and hardware, gives you brand new looking vintage belts without, for an example, the minor edge thread fraying which can occur due to usage wear. In fact, one of their most common repair requests is to replace old webbing which a dog passenger has chewed upon!

    If you are not a purist, they have a rainbow of different belt webbing colors to choose - their website has a "belt color sample" page.

    In my case, for my Porsche which has that somewhat odd Metropol Blue interior leather color, I went with a pair of black belts with blue trim which matches the blue stitching on my steering wheel. See below:

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    So, by working with these folks, you have a wide variety of options which they can provide, depending upon what you wish the end result to look like.

    DM
     
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    Following up on my seatbelt issue. The shop I used sent my belt unit out to Safety Restore, as recommended above. I'm pleased to report they sent it back in fully working order! I do not know what they did to fix the issue(s). All I know is that it is now working as it should. It's so nice to have this finally taken care of, once and for all. But it's also good to have this vendor in my records for future reference. Hope they can help someone else with their belt issues.
     
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