Seat belts for an 87 Testarossa (Switzerland spec) | FerrariChat

Seat belts for an 87 Testarossa (Switzerland spec)

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by alex_kay, May 6, 2024.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
    68
    Central Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Alex
    Hi,
    are there any replacement seat belts (not automatic) for my 87 Testarossa (Switzerland spec)?
    The current ones in my car are Honeywell mod. 4648. See the photos in attachment.

    I have an issue finding a replacement for my driver's side seat belt. Unfortunately, it has worn off quite a bit in one spot and it needs replacement.
    I have looked around and I cannot find the same ones. Quite astonishingly, when looking for used ones I couldn't even find that the Honeywell 4648 were used on the Testarossa. All I found were the Ferrari part numbers 67422000 and 123087. I found some used ones at Red Bay Cars but the manufacturers are listed as either TRW or Klippan.
    And when I see some photos from Honeywell seat belts used in the Testarossa they have a different tag with a different number (Ar4m, E2, 0402073) than mines.

    How many different seat belts were used on the Testarossa? Seems like a lot of different ones from different manufacturers.

    Best
    Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
    37,099
    Cowboy Capitol of the World
    Full Name:
    Brian Crall
    I do not know if it is legal in your country but there are many companies that offer rewebbing of seat belts. Just google seat belt rewebbing and pick one.
     
    alex_kay likes this.
  3. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

    Apr 6, 2008
    9,531
    southwest Germany, France ( Alsace ) and Thailand
    Full Name:
    romano schwabel
    you not really want non automatic belts?. those static ( manual adjusted ) belts are long time ago :)
     
  4. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
    37,099
    Cowboy Capitol of the World
    Full Name:
    Brian Crall
    By the way. Your Honeywell belts are replacements. They were made years after the car.
     
  5. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,388
  6. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
    68
    Central Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Alex
    @lagunacc Thank you. Are these the same ones that were used in the Testarossa? Might be a stupid question but you only posted the link and no details with it :)


    @Rifledriver How do you know they are replacements? They seem to have the same or a similiar date ("best before" or "production"?) on them as some of the ones that I have seen offered for the Testarossa.


    @turbo-joe ;) it was meant as a differentiation to the US version automatic seat belts
     
    turbo-joe likes this.
  7. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
    37,099
    Cowboy Capitol of the World
    Full Name:
    Brian Crall
    The usable or safe usage age of safety equipment is different for different countries and different sanctioning bodies. For that reason I have never seen a "USE BY " date. It would leave no ability to know how old they are. I have only seen date of production. The 87 TR I have here now have no date. The TRW belts in 2 355s I have here now both predate the car.
    Every source I can find on seat belt dating is for the production date. Not the "USE BY" date.
     
  8. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,388
    https://www.ebay.ch/itm/305550832285
    May be similar to what you've got. No guarantees. For that price might be worth checking it out.
    I searched for the part number visible in your sec pic.

    Which also brings up stuff like

    https://www.ebay.ch/itm/305550832285
    https://www.ebay.ch/itm/155812096347


    Possible the others you've seen with the Cavallino and Ar4m, E2, 0402073 are the originals. Those would be about 3k per set.
    Big price diff so it might be worth checking those other things out.
     
  9. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,388
    If you can disassemble the spools and swap the webbing, the 348 Honeywell set is less than 1k.
     
  10. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
    68
    Central Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Alex
    @lagunacc I checked out the Fiat ones and I don't really think they would fit.
    I did however stumble over something completely different:
    https://www.oldtimer-sicherheitsgurte.de/fahrzeugauswahl/porsche/dreipunkt-automatikgurt-mit-22-cm-gurtpeitsche.html
    https://www.oldtimer-sicherheitsgurte.de/fahrzeugauswahl/sicherheitsgurte-fuer-oldtimer-und-youngtimer/dreipunkt-automatikgurt-mit-30-cm-gurtpeitsche.html
    These are generic ones.

    Does anyone happen to know how long the seat belt buckle is on the Testarossa?
    The generic ones come in all lengths. 22cm and 30cm look right to me if I compare it to this here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/166728413213 or that one https://www.ital-spares.com/brand/ferrari/5962/counterpart-for-safetybelt/gurtschloss or that one https://ferrariteileschweiz.ch/2021/04/26/ferrari-testarossa-sicherheitsgurt-67422000/

    Here is the diagram of the original one, Ferrari numbers 67422000 or 123087: https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/part/ferrari/123087
     
  11. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
    68
    Central Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Alex
    Alright: here are some details. Maybe it will help someone someday.
    I just ordered the generic ones: https://www.oldtimer-sicherheitsgurte.de/fahrzeugauswahl/porsche/dreipunkt-automatikgurt-mit-22-cm-gurtpeitsche.html
    The 22cm length is roughly the same as the original. I measured the length of the original belt whips (belt buckle anchorage?) and they measure around 23-24cm from the middle of the borehole to the top of the belt whip.

    I was also surprised that the measurements of the seat belt insertion tongue of the generic ones appear to fit the original Ferrari belt whips (belt buckle anchorage?).
    Here is a diagram for the generic ones from https://www.oldtimer-sicherheitsgurte.de/. I will report back if the fit. But I measured the ones currently in use in my car and they are the same size :)
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    raysur and turbo-joe like this.
  12. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

    Apr 29, 2004
    37,099
    Cowboy Capitol of the World
    Full Name:
    Brian Crall
    In the picture they look like the original belts. Whatever minor differences there might be will be unnoticed and the price is very reasonable.

    Good find.
     
  13. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,388
    The tongue on those Fiat ones were the same. Don't know about the rest, didn't check in detail.

    If the ones you found fit your current buckles they should be OK. The buckles might stand out, modern plastic, diff to tell from pics.

    I think one version of the Mondial T are identical to the TR minus the buckles (diff number on the webbing though). Still about $1k
     
  14. alex_kay

    alex_kay Karting

    Apr 7, 2024
    68
    Central Switzerland
    Full Name:
    Alex
    I owe you guys an update here too. As I mentioned, I bought the generic ones (https://www.oldtimer-sicherheitsgurte.de/fahrzeugauswahl/porsche/dreipunkt-automatikgurt-mit-22-cm-gurtpeitsche.html for EUR 89.00). They were put in the Testarossa and they fit without modifications. They work without any problems with the original belt buckle. I can only recommend them
     
    turbo-joe and TestaDDS like this.
  15. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 24, 2013
    4,388
    Pretty sure it's the same one. Available in other places.
    https://www.okp.de/xtc2/105-115-Spider/70-Interior/Seats/3-Point-Automatic-front-seat-belt-Spider-GTV6-F-308::16486.html
     

Share This Page