seeking advice 599

Hello,
That's difficult to explain withou shoots.
Unfortunatly, I cannot attached mines where you could see the screws you should have when I put the carbon rear view mirrors . You have to disassemble the carbon panel by gently lifting with spatula without damaging the leather of the door panel and yoou find a lot of other screws. Did you did it? That could help you.

 

I need to remove at least the inner part, insert, of the door panel, leather in my case, because the window glass appears to have become loose. I do not really understand the process described above.

What I have removed is the internal door handle including the cup, which is held by one screw visible under the handle. I disengaged the pulley and removed the contact, so that the door handle assembly can be put aside. I then removed two bolts (10er) apparent when looking into the hole, where the handle cup was.

This where I stopped, because I cannot see any other fasteners or screws and do not dare to pull the armrest or force any kind of tool between the main panel and the insert.

What is the trick? Will I (hopefully) gain access to whatever part of the window lifting mechanism, to which the glass should actually be fixed? Many thanks in advance

Cheers, Bernhard

 

P.S.: In another thread Taz kindly posted a written instruction for door panel removal (from a 612 wsm, perhaps?). Therein reference is made to various panel fixing screws, which I cannot identify in the door drawings of the 599 spare parts catalogue and neither in the parts lists.

I will nevertheles try to figure it out. Please then regard any upcoming thread, wherein I might searching for a replacement panel ..... .

 

Many thanks to Peter (user name Moserpe) for providing a detailed description. Here I try a translation into the English language, together with some additional remarks by myself. In practice I have not yet proceeded further than as described above, but the instructions appear to be extremely helpful for getting on with the job. So here is the translation (hopefully understandable)

Let the window down. Then, if deemed necessary, disconnect the starter battery (after you have ensured that you have the radio code ;o)).

Remove the cushion of the armrest by prying it out of the armrest from the rear end and pulling it out of the armrest.

Remove the two screws at the underside of the main panel (besides the sidewalk lamp).

Remove the allen screw underneath the door lever (in the handle assembly)

Pull the handle assembly out of the armrest.

Remove the (mechanical) operating cable from the door lever. The end thereof is s- or z-shaped and coated with a polymer layer, it may need a little force to get out. Observe: the hole for the cable in the door lever is not round, but long, thus watch out to the orientation while pulling out the "z". Disconnect the wire of the microswitch under the door handle. Alternatively: remove the clamp of the microswitch and then the microswitch. Put the handle assembly aside.

Remove the three bolts holding the panel inset. Two are beneath the hole, where the handle assembly was. One is beneath where the armrest cushion was.

Using an appropriate instrument (e.g. Nylon lever) pry the insert from the main panel. Beginn at the underside and proceed counterclockwise. There is a total of 8 fixing elements.

Push out the window switches from the inside side of the panel inset and disconnect the wires thereof.

Take off the panel insert and put it aside. If you reach whatever you intend to fix, then your are through already with respect to panel removal. You might consider cutting a "window" into the protective foil (which I assume is present) and to close this "window" again using some adhesive tape. Then think about how to make this "window" such that closure will be straightforward.

Remove the triangle with the speaker by detaching the top first, then the bottom. Disconnect the speaker wires.

Use a Nylon lever for removing the gaskets of the window guide. This gasket is at the rear end of the door and fixed with two push buttons.

Remove the slotted nut holding the door vent and remove the vent.

Disconnect the wire of the side airbag.

Remove a total of 15 Screws holding the door panel.

Remove and disconnect the sidewalk lamp.

Carefully pull off the lower front part of the panel and release it from the clamp. Then push the panel upwardsto disengage lamella located at the upper side.

Remove the protective cover of the window lifter and remove wires from the electronic box of the window lifter.

Then put aside the panel and do whatever else you need to do.

P.S.: Search terms: door panel trim remove removal window 599

 

So I did it now. What was to fix? Just one screw fixing the rear lower end of the side window glass ... . Needs to have the main panel removed. I was not in the mood to take photos, sorry.

So here is a revised description. The prior one presumable related to a 612, there are minor differences in the design and dissassembly process.


Let the window down at least a bit, since you may wish to close the door with the window lift inoperative. Then, if deemed necessary, disconnect the starter battery (after you have ensured that you have the radio code ;o)).

Remove the two screws at the underside of the main panel (besides the sidewalk lamp).

Remove the allen screw underneath the door lever (in the handle assembly)

Pull the handle assembly out of the armrest.

Remove the (mechanical) operating cable from the door lever. The end thereof is s- or z-shaped and coated with a polymer layer, it may need a little force to get out. Observe: the hole for the cable in the door lever is not round, but long, thus watch out to the orientation while pulling out the "z". Disconnect the wire of the microswitch under the door handle. Alternatively: remove the clamp of the microswitch and then the microswitch. Put the handle assembly aside.

Remove the two bolts holding the panel inset. Both are beneath the hole, where the handle assembly was. There is no third bolt, as in the 612, the armrest is one piece.

Using an appropriate instrument pry the insert from the main panel. Beginn at the underside and proceed counterclockwise. While the text suggested using a Nylon lever, this showed rather ineffective, because the push-on connecting elements are very firm. I first tryed a plastic turner from the kitchen. Although quite solid and strong, it nevertheless rather bent than pushing the inset off. Next I tryed a cheese knife, about 7 cm tall and thereby providing a broad surface for avoiding pressure points in the leather. Two turns of kitchen paper around it. This worked and the connectors popped loose under application of frightening forces. The cheese knife needs to be carefully forced between the inset and the main panel and then levered against the main panel.

Carefully pull/lever out one window switch from the panel inset and disconnect the wires thereof. The second window switch may then be pushed out and disconnected. Disconnect the connector in the wire leading to the microswitch.

Take off the panel insert and put it aside.

Remove the triangle with the speaker by pulling it off. Disconnect the speaker wires, if you manage, I did not and preferred to leave it in order not to break anything. The triangle may be left hanging and does not really disturb the subsequent dissassembly. Remove the bolt visible in the space where the triangle was.

Use a Nylon lever for removing the gasket of the inner window guide. This gasket extends at the rear end of the door and is fixed to the door frame with two push buttons. These buttons are a very tight fit. Using the lever on the buttons will likely destroy them. I instead carefully levered off the gasket against the door frame, this worked well without adverse effects on the buttons.

Remove the door vent by turning it a bit clockwise. It needs to be removed, because the main panel is fixed to the door frame with one bolt being located under the vent. This bolt is black since it is visible through the vent.

Disconnect the wire of the side airbag.

Remove all bolts apparent and holding the door panel. Two larger bolts hold the side airbag support, which is fixed to the inside of the panel, and both need to be removed. The third bolt (in the middle) in the airbag support bracket does not need to be removed.

Remove and disconnect the sidewalk lamp.

Carefully pull off the lower part of the panel. Then push the panel carefully upwards to disengage lamella located at the upper side. There are three lamella, two near the airbag support bracket and one further at the rear end of the panel.

You will need either a second person or a support for the panel, since there still are wires connected to the window lift controler (front lower inner side of the panel) and these are not long.

Remove the protective cover of the window lift controller and remove wires from the electronic box. This is somewhat fiddly, because the two connectors have locking devices, which must be released. In case of the larger connector this is a C-frame, which must be pressed loose and swiveled about 90 ° downwards. Alternatively: remove the two screws fixing two holding brackets of the controller to the inside of the panel. The latter is more preferable at least for disassembly due to the fiddly connector lockers and the restricted space for removing the connectors.

Then put aside the panel, carefully peel off the water protective plastic sheet in the area of interest and do whatever else you need to do (e.g. tighten one screw ). If you want the window to operate for whatever reason, you need to recontact the window controler and the window switch.

Reassembly is quite the opposite. It is advisable to fix the window controler to the panel again prior to assembling the panel. Pushing in of the connectors is much more easy than their removal. For reassembly of the panel it it advisable that the window is let down all the way. The upper part rear part of the panel needs to be pressed to the door frame and then pushed down in order to engage the three clamps to the door frame. All the rest is reverse of the prior description.

 

I also wanted to pull the carbon insert and found no videos or real information other than a well scripted detailed Wright up..
So I made a video for people that don’t like to read