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360 Seeking Advice on Dealer Quote for Repairs

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  1. KnightSolaire

    KnightSolaire Karting

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    Hey everyone,

    I’m hoping to get some advice on a recent quote I received for my 360 Spider. The car isn’t shifting properly with the F1 system, and I’m concerned about the pricing from the dealer I took it to.

    The clutch was replaced just 9k miles ago at Ferrari, but this dealer is telling me the clutch travel is at 17.4mm and that it’s 100% worn. Here’s what they’ve quoted me:

    $11,800 for clutch, throwout bearing, and rear main seal replacement

    $2,600 for tie rod ends

    $6,500 to replace the engagement potentiometers

    I’ve been checking other posts to compare pricing, and these numbers seem quite high. I’d love to hear your thoughts or any experiences with similar repairs. Is this dealer being excessive, or do these numbers seem reasonable?

    Thanks in advance for any insight!
     
  2. GogglesPisano

    GogglesPisano F1 Rookie
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    The dealer is always going to be high. Most of this group that does not do their own maintenance or relies on mechanics for more complicated matters, have moved to independent mechanics. Dealerships are typically more in tune with new vehicle needs (at least that's my opinion).

    I would politely decline the service for now and go see a local independent other people have recommended. Maybe post in your local chapter section on this board.

    Also, I would highly recommend getting a proper scan tool for yourself and maybe working with some of the experts here to get a better idea of what might be going on. Perhaps the clutch travel is correct and the previous owner didn't know how to drive properly. The more information you have from your own end, the more educated a decision you can make on what really needs to be replaced.
     
  3. KnightSolaire

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    If anyone has any recommendations on a good indie mechanic in NC please shoot me a message
     
  4. flash32

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    #4 flash32, Oct 22, 2024
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    For such a big job .. even trailering it to a good Indy is worth it

    Was the dealer foreign cars Italia ?
     
  5. KnightSolaire

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    Yep, I wonder how you knew
     
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  7. KnightSolaire

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  8. GogglesPisano

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    As a tip (and this doesn't always work), I've found if you approach a shop and let them know you're a new owner and looking to find a reputable shop that you can build a relationship with for regular maintenance, work, etc, they tend to be less aggressive and sometimes more willing to throw things in as an act of good will to earn your future business. This usually depends on the shop being upstanding to begin with though so take that with a grain of salt.
     
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  9. Herbert Hamber

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    Three years ago they told me at F of NB that the clutch was worn and needed to be replaced ... The 360 spider had 28k miles, it is an F1.

    Now it has 33k miles and has no clutch issues whatsoever. It is the original clutch.

    So last year the technician that did the original diagnosis said that those clutch wear sensors (where they tell you the mm's) are often unreliable.

    So now he said, just drive it ! ... and when the clutch starts to slip you will notice it : it will go into neutral by itself.

    So maybe you have some other sort of clutch-related problem ? Adjustment ?
     
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  10. KnightSolaire

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    My issues are kind of odd, the car was shifting from N->2 2->4 and 4->6 when cold and starts to drive somewhat normal after warming up. But at a standstill would sometimes refuse to shift from N at all then go into 2
     
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  11. flash32

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    That does sound like potentiometers...4,-6 hours labor plus parts

    I would try a self learn for gear box and see what that does
     
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  12. KnightSolaire

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    Considering just going with a manual swap at this point
     
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  13. GogglesPisano

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    If it was your intention to do this previously, now might be a good time. However keep in mind you're swapping the cost to repair this for close to $20k+ if you have a shop install the kit. Personally, I would get the car correct before doing any conversions. If it is the potentiometers, you're looking at a fraction of that for the repair: https://www.eurospares.com/Parts/181325/Eurospares
     
  14. flash32

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    Btw did they do a visual inspection of the clutch ?

    At 17 mm on an 360 the clutch is probably 40 percent or less used ...

    So you have any diagnostic tools..do you wrench on cars ?
     
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  15. Herbert Hamber

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    Not knowing anything about your details, I would imagine that an experienced, honest Ferrari shop with 20+ yrs of experience will be able to tell you right away where your problem is. Immediately.

    It is not the first time I hear of people getting a 360 transmission rebuilt - when it was not necessary ...

    Doesn't warm vs cold behavior suggest a transmission oil issue ?
     
  16. KnightSolaire

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    So I dont know much about the manual conversion kits but, judging by what I am seeing on https://gatedconversion.com/

    They are about 12.5k? I know someone who can do the conversion for me that won't charge an arm and a leg for it. However, I am unsure what it entails and if I should be considering the clutch out or clutch in kit? Also, I was thinking of doing it for more future peace of mind since the F1 system does seem to be temperamental.
     
  17. KnightSolaire

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    Its possible there is a transmission oil issue, the tech told me the clutch was dragging and he adjusted the PIS to help the issue with the shifting. Clutch was not visually inspected they just assumed at 17mm it's 100% wear based on what they told me. I heard that if the pressure is off it can also throw potentiometer errors. To your point FCI told me if they replace the clutch they can't guarantee it'll fix anything and if they replace the potentiometers they also can't guarantee it'll fix anything and if they both don't fix the issue then they will look at F1 pump rebuild. Sounds like way too big of a risk for me to throw close to 17k in hopes to fix the issue.
     
  18. flash32

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    The statements made by the tech are a little off : If you want give me a call and we can see if we can probably get you a better diagnosis - i do agree sometimes it is hard to pinpoint an issue but those statements are too far loose

    Then people wonder why the F1 system gets a bad rep
     
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  19. KnightSolaire

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    Hey folks!
    I was lost on what to do until @flash32 reached out and offered to guide me step-by-step.

    Thanks to his incredible knowledge of the F1 system, we systematically diagnosed and fixed multiple issues: replacing the accumulator, relay, clutch block, and clutch pipe, bleeding the clutch and actuator, and finally identifying and replacing a faulty engagement sensor.

    After all his help, the car shifts perfectly now and drives like a dream. @flash32 I can’t thank you enough for your patience and expertise—you’re a legend!
     
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  20. flash32

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    It took a while (parts delay and some hurdles) but the end result was a perfect F1 system and most importantly you are now an expert :)

    It is just shows dedication with a little help from me saved you thousands upon thousands

    U r truly welcome ..I am here always
     
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  21. Scottslaw

    Scottslaw Formula Junior

    Just wow! Dominic you are truly the best!
     
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