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Seems Like Trouble Brewing

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  1. LVP488

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    Please refer to post #11.
     
  2. Trev450

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  3. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    F-1 is not rotten from its top to the bottom. Very sad, but when you get so much money involved it attracts all kinds of slimy people. F1 has always had some slimy folks - but they were usually in the teams... now its the governing body as well. And yes, I know about JMBalestre and his nazi past.
     
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  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    MBS is dictator trash
     
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  5. Trev450

    Trev450 Formula Junior

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    Agreed it's not all rotten, but those with the most influence appear to be somewaht over ripe.
     
  6. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    In my opinion, this was totally irrelevant with his role as FIA President.
     
  7. Adrian Thompson

    Adrian Thompson Formula Junior

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    Serious question I don’t know the answer too. Is there some sort of law that gives the FIA legal right to run Motorsports globally? I know that even IndyCar and NASCAR ultimately run under FIA sanctioning. What is there to stop F1, Liberty, etc from telling the FIA to take a hike?
     
  8. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Nothing. Except they can no longer use F1/Formula 1 given the rights are leased out from the FIA. Id like to see now a good effort to end the association with the FIA as it is currently being run. F1 itself does not need the FIA any longer in its current form. A new racing centered organization not beholden to 1 idiot would be a nice start lol.
     
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  9. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The FIA has obtained a quasi monopoly in motorsport because of recognition by many governments and national automobile clubs.
    There is no laws preventing a series to exist outside its jurisdiction; it's a bit like the United Nations in that sense.
    The FIA is internationally recognisesd as the legal owner of World Championships (drivers, constructors, endurance, rallyes, etc ...).
    Some clubs or national series operate without FIA recognition, but the FIA wouldn't allow an international series to grow outside its control.
    How ? By blacklisting its participants, tracks, constructors, teams and drivers, banning them from any FIA-recognised event in future.
    This has been explored in the past (70s and 80s), when FOCA (Ecclestone & Mosley) was in dispute with the FIA (Ballestre).
    They thought about launching a rebel single(seater top series they could administer, in a way to challenge the FIA-administered F1.
    It would have ruined teams and circuit owners losing their licences, and prevented drivers to race outside the "rebel" series.
    In the end, Ecclestone decided wisely to infiltrate the FIA with Mosley to obtain what he wanted.
     
  10. Adrian Thompson

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    Yes, I very much remember the FISA - FOCA war of the 80's, but I thought, hoped?, that things may have changed in the organizational structure after that.

    A follow up Q for those who understand legal matters. Can the FIA legally blacklist a driver, track, team, etc, if they participate in a non FIA sanctioned event or series? If racing were just purely a sport, maybe, play by our rules or go home. But racing is far, far more than a sport. It's a massive global industry. Surely saying our way or the highway is some form of anti trust, anti compettion, or monopoly?
     
  11. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    This has never been tested yet, but I think the FIA has some powers.
    They could withdraw the operating licences of ciruits hosting non-FIA events.
    They could refuse to homologate cars in different categories for a constructor who participates in non FIA sanctioned races.
    They could stop issuing racing licences to drivers who race outside FIA jurisdiction.
     
  12. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    I believe they own the name Formula One, F-1 ... as well as F2, F3, F4... but I guess you could call it all something else. Not sure if they own "Grand Prix"... dont think so.
     
  13. spirot

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    I believe they own the name Formula One, F-1 ... as well as F2, F3, F4... but I guess you could call it all something else. Not sure if they own "Grand Prix"... dont think so.
     
  14. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    I believe they own the name Formula One, F-1 ... as well as F2, F3, F4... but I guess you could call it all something else. Not sure if they own "Grand Prix"... dont think so.
     
  15. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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    I believe they own the rights to Formula One ... that is about it.
     
  16. spirot

    spirot F1 World Champ

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