http://www.haeferl.at/lyso/Filme/sennavsprost.wmv
AWESOME video - loved the scenes with the 641/2. *Man*, I love that car. IMO, one of the most sleek looking racecars ever to wear the Ferrari shield. The commentators were great - although I can't understand Japanese, my heartrate was up in the first 30 seconds just listening to those guys! Now that's enthusiasm!!!
That video was fantastic! I especially liked the starts in the third minute. I just wish I could see another one like that...
Thanks for sharing! I agree with the comment that Senna and Prost made each other look good (because they were the best of their era). But when it comes to MS, even though he is a great driver, I don't think he has the balls this two had.
I still have images in my mind of Senna spinning out in his home Grand Prix (Brazil 1994) while trying to catch Schumacher. It clearly was the changing of the guard in F1. That's how hard Senna was working the Williams to catch Michael. I'm absolutely convinced that Michael's 2 victories in the opening rounds of the 1994 season caused Senna to stand up and take notice-Michael was up 20 points on Senna at the time and clearly outdrove him. As for that fateful day at Imola, we've all heard broken steering, cold tires, Senna passed out, etc. The fact remains that Michael was kicking Senna's ass to that point in the season, and Senna was trying to lay down the law at Imola. The rest is history.
I remember Senna not being able to remain in control of an f1 car and killing himself because Michael Schumacher was apply pressure on him at Imola. Senna knew that he was nothing compared to the great Michael Schumacher and feared what would happen to his reputation once Michael started beating him championship after championship and championship. Senna's 2 world championships were nothing special because there was no real great competition. Prost and Senna just made each other look good. They were similar in talent to HHF and Irvine.
Say what you want about senna, But i dont know of any other driver with a soul and passion for driving and winning like senna had. He wanted to win!
Well I guess you didn't watch the 93 Season when MS had a superior car. Senna was on pole for the first 3 races, the first one he spun out trying to catch him instead of settling for 2nd place. The second race he was punted out by Hakkinen in the first corner of the first lap. I agree that Senna knew that Michael was going to be his biggest competitor. Unfortunately that Williams at the time was not the car it should have been due to the regulation changes in 94, just as we are seeing with MS in 05. Look at the difference between Hill and Senna's qualifying and that FW16 should never have been on Pole. Whatever happened it is a shame for F1.
Michael Schumacher has a greater drive to win. Proof: 7 times Driver's World Championship Winner! Senna could not match Michael's drive to win. Senna was much too busy being the self proclaimed "People's champion" and wasting his time blowing his own horn.
Look we all know you "LOVE" MS, but do you constantly have to berate other drivers. I am not in love with MS they way you are but am willing to concede that he the greatest driver of his time and most likely of all time. But why do you need to make such stupid statements about Senna not being in control and killing himself. Stupid statements from someone who likely never sat in a race car. What about MS going off at Silverstone and hitting the wall. Only difference between MS and Senna was that Senna hit BRICK wall and MS hit a bunch of tires, that may not have even been at that corner in the first place had saftey advancements not been made in the wake of Senna's death. And MS had plenty of run-ins ala Senna. Remember his stupid move on JV. Saying that Prost and Senna are the equivelent of HHF and Irvine negates your passionate enthusiasm for MS into nothing more than "kindergarten" knowledge of F1. You seem to berate anyone other than MS as nothing more than some club racer. Last time I checked HHF and Irvine didn't do jacks*t when they had chances to win titles. MS and Senna have different strenghts and weaknesses. Senna didn't need some stupid NUMBER #2 clause in his contract to beat a multiple world champion to a title and he never needed anyone to slow down and allow him to catch up so he could take the win. In contrast Senna never had the ability to build a team up from the ground. He simply didn't know how to lead a team or build one, he just knew how to drive fast. And lastly, I have no clue where you get all this "toot his own horn" and "make himself look good" crap comes from. How old are you? Where you even school age when Senna raced? He was never one to be known to say anything about himself or to brag. In fact he was a very quiet individual who didn't say much even at the end of his career and when he did say things it usually wasn't anything about himself. Certainly not the "stereotypical" comments you attribute to him. Maybe you are getting Irvine and Senna mixed up. I am just curious if you think Fangio, Nuvolari, Ascari, Stewart, GV, Senna or Prost are even in the same league as MS or do you rate all these greats as simple "club racers" in regards to MS. In any event, you need to stop berating other world champions to make MS look good. He doesn't need your "kindergarten" comments to back him up does he ???????????????? Regards, Jon P. Kofod www.flatoutracing.net
Michael Schumacher is the greatest of all time. In my humble opinion the only 4 racers that can compete with Michael in terms of talent, performance, determination and skill are Nuvolari, Fangio, Ascari and GV. The rest do not even close. Nuvolari, Fangio, Ascari and Gilles are all great F1 racers and would agree that Michael is greatest of all time. However, Nuvolari, Fangio, Ascari and GV are all better than Senna and Prost. As I can see my comments have agitated you. I will try to be more diplomatic about my opinions in the future.
What makes you think that the '93 Benetton was such a great car? The Williams was the class of the field, but I think that the '93 McLaren was better than the '93 Benetton.
It's the internet...you are free to voice your opinion as I am free to challenge your opinion. I am just curious about one thing. Ascari, Clark (whom you omitted from your list as did I), and GV all died while sitting at the wheel of a race car. Ascari slid off the track while there were no other cars around him, as did Clark. GV of course hit another car. I guess you could say all three were not in control. I am wondering if you hold the same opinion of those three as you do Senna. Namely all three "buckled" under pressure and were not able to control themselves. Your response? Regards, Jon PS: By the way in case you have never entered the "politics and religion" forum.....I love a good debate.
Senna was a clear case of not being in control of the car because of pressure being applied by Schumacher. It is clear from the in car footage and from the videos that he was pushing very hard and was agitated due to the pressure from Michael. He had a lapse in concentration and as a result died. Ascari as you may remember was testing a Ferrari race. He died pushing the race car to it limit. Those days of testing were like testing new Jet fighters. Ascari did not die because he lost control, he dies because of testing an untested machine. Villeneuve dies because Jochen Mass's stupidity! It was qualifying and Mass's car was just crawling along where it should have been at race pace! As you can see both Ascari and Gilles did not die under pressure. Senna dies under pressure sue to his own fault! We won't mention Clark! I have nothing to say about him! EDIT: It does not matter... let us talk about Clark... Clark died during an inconsequential F2 race at Hockenheim, Germany. His piece of crap Lotus left the track and crashed into nearby trees. Thus begining my hate for lotus who are an unethical company that build very poor machines. So once again you see Clark died because of mechanical failure. Not pressure like Senna!
Ascari and GV both died pushing their respective cars too hard when under enormous pressure ... I'll explain. Ascari was called back from a wedding (I believe) to restore pride to Ferrari because Lancia or Maserati had broken the lap record at the local test track. Cannot remember which track. Ascari did not want to drive, but D!CKHEAD Enzo Ferrari made him go out and push for the lap record. Thus Ascari was under pressure and made a mistake ... and died because of a fool called Enzo. GV on the other hand had just had pole taken away from him by an unefficial driver called Pironi, who GV hated with an enormous passion due to Pironi taking a win away from GV (again team orders simply snck). Thus GV was under enormous personal pressure to grab that pole. Heck he did not even have to do that lap, he was on the front row ... but GV being GV was incensed that Pironi had a faster lap time in identical cars. Thus racing drivers have accidents for 3 reasons: 1. Somebody else hit them. 2. They made a mistake and lost it. 3. Their car fails. That's it ... arguing over the merits of whether Senna was an idiot because he lost control of his car while pushing very hard, is like arguing that ALL drivers are idiots because their sole purpose is to keep pushing and searching for the unattainable limit. Yeah Senna lost it ... so has MS many, many times ... some embarrassingly like Silverstone ... lost control under pressure after ANOTHER very poor start. Team came up with a braking issue to remove the press pressure from MS ... but it was bad driving from MS IMO that caused that accident, plus the first lap accident at Monaco where he simply just lost it. Also while it is a theory that Clark's car failed that has never been proven ... heck even somebody as brilliant as Clark (and Senna) make mistakes, even in low level club/fun races. It happens. Also damning Lotus because they push the boundaries of engineering, striving for the ultimate race car, as light as possible is rediculous. Yes Colins cars often broke ... but compared to the heavy tanks that Ferrari were racing at the same time, they were 10 years ahead in technology. You see Imperial that is what motorsport is all about ... pushing and searching for that personal human and engineering/design limit. Awesome challenge. So Imperial please fncken shut the fnck up with your ignorant comments about one of the great racing drivers of his time, Senna. Show some class and respect, man. Enough is enough ... you alone are making MS and yourself look like a fool. Pete
I believe it was the Monza race track. He was at a family wedding when he heard about the track record being broken. He went to Monza to restore Ferrari pride. He was under no pressure from Enzo Ferrari. He was "pushing and searching for that personal human and engineering/design limit"! GV was driving at race pace but Jochen Mass was crawling along at unsafe speeds. GV could not see Mass untill it was too late. No doubt GV wanted to be on pole! Being on pole... winning.... "pushing and searching for that personal human and engineering/design limit" isin't that what motor sport is all about ???
Wrong! ... he was only on the track due to pressure from Enzo. This death was 100% Enzo's causing. Yep and that is all that Senna was doing. When you have never made a mistake you can say the BS that you have been vomiting. I've made plenty, so has MS and so did Senna. If you keep this current trend up I will be PM'ing many who frequent this racing section and if others agree with me I'll be emailing Rob and requesting that we ban you. Lets instead talk motorsport and support Ferrari and MS ... without having to resort to rubbishing others, especially past champions. Criticising is one thing ... but that is simply not what you are doing. Respectively Pete
Please. Hakkinen jumped in the McLaren seat for the last 3 races of '93 and outqualified MS in 2 of them and MS barely nipped him in qualifying for the third; the McLaren chassis was vastly superior to the Benetton's. As for 1994, Senna held the pole in each of the first 3 races so the claim that the 1994 Williams wasn't a good car doesn't hold water. Don't get me wrong;I think Senna was a great driver but in 1994 Michael was kicking his butt before the accident and I'm convinced MS would have been champion in a fair fight. Sadly we were the losers because we as fans were denied what I'm sure would have been epic battles...
The older racers, like Nuvolari, I have far more respect for because it was far more dangerous. 150mph in a modern F1 car is cake compared to doing that speed in some vintage Alfa, because the F1 is vastly safer and we've made huge strides in making cars go faster and handle better. Also, the driver alone had more control over the outcome because the only technology involved was the basic controls of the car- no F1 transmissions, no telemetry, no radio, nothing. If you put MS, at the peak of his career in the Alfa Romeo P3 or any of those old cars and had him compete, I doubt he would be as successful. Back then you had to be a bit crazy and have some massive, stainless steel balls to be race car driving. I'm not saying modern F1 is easy and risk-free, but with the advances we've made, it's easier and safer than back then. The true test for a driver is to see how they cope with an inferior car on the track- if they can turn a piece of **** car competitive, they've got my vote.
