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Sensor for exhaust valve?

Discussion in '348/355' started by gus355, Sep 25, 2011.

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  1. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    It seems to me that the Exhaust bypass valve is a very simple device, has anyone looked at what is necessary to stop the check engine light from going on due to an open valve (wired open?)

    Is there a sensor for it?
     
  2. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Nov 29, 2001
    13,662
    San Carlos, CA
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    Mitchell Le
    There is no sensor. The thermocouple temperature at the bypass valve is read by the engine ECU to calculate the air temperature after the valve and infer what state the valve is in versus what state the valve should be in.

    You have to reprogram the ECU to disable that function. However, there are opinions that wiring the valve always open lead to engine problems.
     
  3. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    So relocating the thermocouple should get rid of the code then?
     
  4. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    Nov 29, 2001
    13,662
    San Carlos, CA
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    Mitchell Le
    Not necessarily.

    If the computer thinks the valve shoud be closed (at 2000 rpm) and it reads a temperature of 500 degrees as when the valve is wired open (like yours), it thinks the valve is bad and sets a CEL.

    If it thinks the valve should be open (at 5000 rpm) and it sees a temperature of 100 degrees (as when you relocate the thermocouple), it thinks the sensor or the valve is bad and sets a CEL.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
    9,741
    So, what you need to figure out is how to fool the ECU into thinking hte valve is closed when it is in fact open. You do this by using the electrical signal used to open the pneumatic valve that in turn opens the exhaust valve, and using this signal to create a voltage (resistor divider) and route it to the ECU. The ECU, then sees a low temperature when it thinks the valve is open and a higher temp when it thinks the valve should be open.

    The only question left is at what voltages does the ECU think one thing versus the other. The rest is first year EE.
     
  6. gus355

    gus355 Formula Junior

    Aug 3, 2011
    569
    B.C. and WA
    You are correct, the only missing piece of the equation are the values that the ecu is looking for and at what time.
     

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