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Separate Discussion Sections for both the Boxers and the 512's, 512TR's and M'a?

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by RED 4RE, Dec 2, 2007.

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  1. RED 4RE

    RED 4RE Karting

    Jul 18, 2005
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    I'm sure i can't be the only F-chatter lately, who has begun to notice that in our existing "Boxer/TR/M Model Specific Discussion Section MANY of the threads are getting a little unruly and in fact - quite hotly contested by comparing the Boxer to the TR and vice cversa.. in fact, many such threads have lead to numerous pointless comparisons b/w the Boxer and the TR's even though these are clearly two very different classeses of cars both in terms of overall performance,(handling, braking, power, top speed, acceleration and overall comfort, design and technological innovation).

    I will gladly admit and acknowledge that the boxer is hands down a georgeous piece of automotive art - as the precursor and genesis for the later models Tesrossas/TR's and M's, it could easily be argued that it is considered as a tru classic ferrari. However, with all the radical changes and improvements that were made and then incorporated into these later model TR's and M's, it is my humble opinion that it makes much more sense to create two new separate Model Specific Dicsussion Areas for these cars so that we F-chatters could spend our valuable spare time searching much more pertinent information about their specific car both in a much more efficient and organized manner - i.o.w'w give us the tools so we can finally compare apples to apples, so to speak.

    How do the rest of my F-chatters feel about my susggested changes and more importanly how does the owner and his online "consultants/experts' fell about these suggestions? I'm now going to prepare myself for what i expect will be an onslaught of responses - clearly with a very broad difference in opinions.....

    Hey, maybe one of the moderators or F-chat owner couls set up a "voting pole" to quantify exactly how their overall membership feels anout this issue?

    I think the results might shock more than just a few F-chatters!

    cheers,

    RED 4RE (aka "the instigator")
     
  2. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

    Sep 4, 2001
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    As I have posted before, the Boxer belongs in the Vintage section anyway...that would leave the TR, 512TR and 512M with their only section...
     
  3. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    Dec 26, 2001
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    I must have missed the mud slinging, havent seen any lately. I dont really care either way of we seperate the models, ill go with the flow.
     
  4. MS250

    MS250 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2003
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    I havent noticed any mud slinging either....alittlle ribbing perhaps, but nothing where this section is unruly.
     
  5. fastradio

    fastradio F1 Rookie
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    Apr 26, 2006
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    Other than Newman's comments that his BBi is slower than my 365bb...all seems pretty normal on this forum!
     
  6. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
    Owner

    The same argument could be made for the 345/355 section and for the 360/430 section, etcetera.

    Before we know it, each model will be in its own section.

    I don't agree with the original poster's opinion. I don't see how having the boxers and the TRs together in one section prevents the communication of valuable information.

    The cars are grouped together because they are the boxers. If an enthusiast admires a particular boxer, chances are he admires one or more of the other boxers; and this means he is likely to have information or to want to communicate information that may be very relevant to an owner of a car that he does not actually own.

    Also, if an enthusiast admires a particular boxer, and is exposed to information about another boxer, chances are he will want to learn and possibly even tend to purchase one in the future.

    In short, it would be silly in my opinion to create additional sections. We are a community, not a sectarian institution with various sects and resentments towards one another.

    We will not likely learn about cars we don't own if we simply read information directly relevant only to the cars that we own. If we are exposed to a range of models in one area, we are likely to take in not only new information but also information that may be practical knowledge for our own situations.
     
  7. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Using that logic all v8 Ferrari's should be lumped together from the 308GT4 to the 430 and all v12s from the 166 to the 599
     
  8. 348SStb

    348SStb F1 Rookie
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    Not at all. The most similar models are grouped together.

    There is no precise science to all this by the way.
     
  9. JTR

    JTR Formula 3
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    Apr 26, 2005
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    I vote to keep them together, as I enjoy reading about the child of the BBs.
    As for mud slinging, I haven't seen any lately, but we could always start again!
    John
     
  10. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Seperate rooms would be kewl !!

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    Frank

    I feel the Boxer is too new, to be considered a classic-a classic along the lines of a Lusso or 275 etc... It will probably take another ten years.
     
  11. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Other than the flat 12 engine, a Boxer and the TR-512 series can hardly be considered similar...certainly not in appearance...because of the side strakes, a 348 looks more similar to a TR-512 series car than a Boxer.
     
  12. parkerfe

    parkerfe F1 World Champ

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    Most states consider an automobile an "antique" once it is 25 years old....some states as soon as 15 years old...per the Georgia Dept. of Motor Vehicles my BB512i is an antique of the 1982 vintage. Per the Classic Car Club of America, they invented the term 'classic car" and the last classic car was manufactured in 1948 ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car ...
     
  13. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    LOL......slow and steady wins the race. :)
     
  14. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I think they should stay together and actually prefer the "old" system.
    I don't go into other sections as much and would miss some excellent posts about the 4 valve cars .
     
  15. ferraripete

    ferraripete F1 World Champ

    i totally agree. there may be a day when the boxer is considered a true vintage but until then, boxers and dinos (206 and 246) get special treatment.

    pcb
     
  16. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I think the forums should stay as they are. They are too fragmented already, IMO.
     
  17. buzzm2005

    buzzm2005 Formula 3

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    My vote is to keep 'em together. It's the midengine flat12 drivetrain that is the dominating characteristic of these cars and they naturally group this way. It's silly the way the Mondial 8/qv/3.2/t are separated from the 308/328/348.
     
  18. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    What he said.

    If you put Boxers in the vintage section, then the 308s would go as well. There is a strong mechanical 'bloodline' from the Boxer to the TR series -- the mid-engined twelves. I'd leave well enough alone.
     
  19. jmn

    jmn Formula Junior

    Jan 31, 2005
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    Keep them together. Just because Boxers are better looking, faster, more fun to drive, sound better (at least BBs) and are hand-built instead of mass produced isn't necessarily a good reason to separate them from the TRs. HA!
     
  20. bob348

    bob348 Formula 3

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    yes, keep all boxers together...
     
  21. James_Woods

    James_Woods F1 World Champ

    May 17, 2006
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    Yes, here is another point: I have caught myself scarecely looking at the other model arenas, just because I have a TR. I might be guilty of not looking at BB threads anymore if this happened, and that would be a shame.

    Also, would this do ANYTHING to cool down the friendly rivalry? I submit that it might make it worse - with people being more "free" to make the most outrageous arguments without their flat 12 cousins looking over the shoulder?

    There is a lot to be learned by taking an occasional stroll in the other sections - through the 430 world, the vintage section, or say the Dino area.

    Save this stuff for Corvette bashing, say I. Corvette guys can take it.
     
  22. DriverA

    DriverA Karting

    Sep 11, 2007
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    Boxers & Tr`s are two different cars - please split them.
     
  23. PINNIN512

    PINNIN512 Formula 3

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    Boxers should have there own section. We earned it DAMMIT.
     
  24. Newman

    Newman F1 World Champ
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    I have no problem keeping them together even though we are better than them, hehehe......
     
  25. F1 MONZA

    F1 MONZA Formula Junior

    Sep 6, 2004
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    Lets race for the sections, Boxers vs Tr 512tr vs Boxers and f512m vs Boxers. Winner takes all .. somebody just got to come out as a winner...

    Then will separate the sections by car on there performance

    speed

    handling

    braking

    cornering

    and finally the fun factor...
     

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