The passenger screen almost cost me my marriage. My wife knew exactly how fast I was going. Couldn’t BS her! Lol
The tech - hybrid and building EV factory. There is or was a hyper club buy in for 200k. Agree about tech / sticky button of past but SF90 has touch and metal buttons and not one issue. 16M top 27k front lights fog Speciale sticky buttons crap radio but price goes up
Then GM is a tech company with all the hybrids they are building. Lexus is a tech company with the hybrids they are building. Ford is a tech company cause they build the ev Mustang and F150 lightening. Ferrari can’t even get its app to work so you can track your cars. My Ferrari is horrible app. They make great engines. Their cars are excellent but definitely not a tech company.
Not one issue? What about the reported bricking of entire cars? It’s not like there was only one. And most of these cars are hardly used. Who wants to spend this kind of money and deal with the headaches of the touch interface too? Which explains the heavy depreciation. Others have pointed out correctly that most used car prices are falling. The difference with the SF90 is their prices were falling before the market turned and are falling harder now. Go ahead, shoot the messenger.
I prefer the older setup but thats just me. I find it works just fine, CarPlay resolves nav issues, upgraded stereo sounds pretty good to me when I want it. I can navigate it, I admit it has plenty of quirks that I just got used to. My wife and family love the passenger display. New system is just different, I find I need to work around it more. Graphics are nice but I would prefer a real tach gauge than the screen. To me, screens are cheap, everyone has them. I would also prefer if you could opt out- and really know you have opted out- of the new vehicle tracking. If youre not a little paranoid youre not paying close enough attention…..
I have not had issues - no intent on shooting, it's ok you don't have to buy or like Ferrari. My 296 wouldn't shift on 1st day - turned it off back on not one issue after that. Somewhat funny that people wouldn't think there would be issues with exotics esp hybrid. Ferrari moving to tech isn't my idea - I was NOT a fan of electric hybrid etc. Bought a lot of displacement cars - sold many - shockingly love hybrids and when it breaks, still love the set up. Porsche guys are diggin in and disliking Ferrari - at least it appears that way by the posts. I ordered a GT3RS so I get it, but once Porsche converts let's see how that goes as it's gone so well for them on their hybrids esp the 918 replacement. All good I don't care as much as it appears. I don't like Porsche for ADM - my dealer has both so no ADM, Every brand has their ups n downs.
All true. I do like Ferrari’s. I have owned them continuously since 1989. I even like the idea of their hybrid in the 296. Because of the screwed up UI (and having to be plugged in) they will depreciate harder. I will buy a 296 eventually at a deep discount to justify living with the UI. I like the car a lot. I don’t like the SF90 for all the reasons I have previously stated. I also love Porsches for the engagement, driver connection and durability which IMO is unmatched by any other car maker. On the other hand, Ferrari’s are more special and more of an occasion. Both need to be owned. There are other special cars by other makes too and as a generalization Porsche and Ferrari are the best at what they do irrespective of their faults.
$439 here. Lots of cars under $470. Supply and demand at work. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/74a4ebb9-ef79-4927-80ef-5b5a60d89659/
In Europe it's possible to buy one from a Ferrari dealer for EUR 385K. There is one basically new (2022 but with 190 km) advertised from a Ferrari dealer for EUR 415K.
When looking all over Europe, mobile.de is a good source. https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=409792412&dam=false&isSearchRequest=true&ms=8600%3B52%3B%3B&od=up&ref=srp&refId=902f8c2d-db14-6fee-e80c-bb19f503fad4&s=Car&sb=p&searchId=902f8c2d-db14-6fee-e80c-bb19f503fad4&vc=Car https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=412712762&dam=false&isSearchRequest=true&ms=8600%3B52%3B%3B&od=up&ref=srp&refId=60652c86-dc75-585f-0db4-0a75b5afd614&s=Car&sb=p&searchId=60652c86-dc75-585f-0db4-0a75b5afd614&vc=Car https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=411817122&dam=false&isSearchRequest=true&ms=8600%3B52%3B%3B&od=up&ref=srp&refId=60652c86-dc75-585f-0db4-0a75b5afd614&s=Car&sb=p&searchId=60652c86-dc75-585f-0db4-0a75b5afd614&vc=Car There are many cars asking less than EUR 400K.
do you think Ferrari consider reduce production of all turbo cars to prevent depreciation nightmare or they really don't care about secondary market?
Wonder if they reduce making V12 coupes to prevent price depreciation - Of course they care they have leases - I'm curious why the LaF hybrid has tripled yet people believe there is something working with SF90
I think they definitely care about residuals. They try to exert a large degree of control over what, when and how many dealers advertise on the secondary market. Also, they work hard to try and eradicate flippers, more than Porsche for example. And why wouldn’t they - weak residuals make everything harder. That’s not to say that they would easily scale back production, something historically very painful for any manufacturer. It’s what makes today’s situation all the more fascinating. If demand drops they should match production to that (remember Enzo’s motto) but if they do, that’s harder for shareholders. So will short term or long term win out? I guess it depends on how smart the management and/or the shareholders are. We’ll all get to see, although it may be better in different markets. The UK is hard right now but maybe others can take up the slack.
As Ferrari leans into full electric, expect supply of special and rear engine cars to lower in production. Ferrari is placing heavy efforts to push EV, add Puro eating up production. Lot depends on SF90 replacement - guess is slow production and not easy allocation, anyone who took a bad "path" with their SF90 may have a tough road to receiving replacement. 296VS anticipation - lots of guys ordering the 296 in hopes of VS Owners who did not get XX are unhappy - resulting is selling SF90 moving to 296 / trying for VS.
Dealers reward flippers, I've seen it right in front of me. Big reason why there are so many cars for sale, they all got caught with their pants down. If Ferrari goes full electric they are done, I doubt they go this path for more than 1 or 2 models. In regards to the SF90 replacement, anyone and everyone will get an allocation, it will just be a matter of when. Same as usual. They sell cars for a living, the ugly clothing line won't help them hit their numbers.
Used SF90s and 296s are becoming a bargain, best best bang for the buck and the best of all you can buy from any dealer.
When I first started buying new Ferraris, after the financial crisis, it was easy to see that new cars represented the best value. Money was cheap and there were a lot of people suddenly able to afford - with additional wealth and more and more cheap car financing options - an exotic car. Used values strengthened, meaning a relationship with your dealer to get access to the ‘better value’ new cars became something everyone wanted. Now, the situation has reversed. Dealers will see who the loyal customers are, although many of them will think carefully before buying at the rate they maybe have been because pricing has moved on at quite a pace in the last 3 years. The flippers will be gone. If this analysis is correct, two things will happen; first, some used Ferraris will begin to represent fantastic value - a 296 or SF90 already looks like amazing value in terms of what you get for what you pay. Second, Ferrari will need to plan for lower volume, otherwise dealers and customers are going to struggle and that relationship will become fractious. Someone posed a fair thought on one of the threads earlier. In the same way as Porsche grew volume through Cayenne, Panamera etc. So will Ferrari look to solve their volume growth requirement by offering EV Purosangue and other cars competing in lower segments. That could work for them. But, crucially, they can’t oversupply cars like 12C otherwise the residual loss will be too painful for the loyal customer base to bear multiple times over. Already many have taken a hit on cars like 296 and SF90 - good news for used buyers, as I said - but if this becomes the norm, it changes drastically the value equation and used cars become the smarter buy. Eventually the market forces a reduction in volume because there just won’t be the customers to buy new and feed a used market hungry for cheap cars. This forces new volume down and used prices up, rebalancing the equation. Better for Ferrari to be ahead of that curve because it brings with it a lot of irritation to people who have been loyal for a long time. Especially if the pricing strategy on halo cars leaves little for the customer (in the past, the benefit of one squares with what you lose on the other. Maybe no longer.)
