Shifting Problem

This is your problem- guaranteed.

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249934&highlight=shift+bushing

Its a $80 approx fix for the Hill replacement part from Ricambi (sponsor here). Feel free to put the original junk Ferrari 50 cent one back in so you can keep doing the fix over & over...seriously.

They all will fail in the 430/360's, as the original plastic bushing in the base of the shift handle was not up to the task it was designed for. Hill Engineering corrected it once & for all.

Dont sweat it, its a easy , no brain involved, fix in under 1 hour for the dealer. For a mortal man its a under 90 minute task, thats allowing all sorts of patience time...

Chris

 

Do not be so certain. We have seen many problems causing that symptom and a few of them are expensive. To buy a car with reassurances it is such a cheap and simple fix is inviting disaster.

 

How many shifter bushings have you installed vs. major transmission repair for a shifting issue as not going into 2nd or 6th unless the rpms come down? Knowing you are one of the most qualified wrenchers on F-chat & seeing this I am sure often on the 6 speeds..

My point was that the bushing is VERY common & most likely the issue. Of course on a purchase I am sure he will have evaluated & a PPI done. He was asking what it could possibly be. My bet would be the bushing knowing how common this issue is.
I am sure you agree the shifter bushing is an extremely common issue in the 360's & 430's for shift issues as described by the potential buyer above.. Sure could be another of many more serious issues, odds favor the bushing- would be my internet from the chair guess.

 

We do far more major internal transmission repairs than shift bushings. The shift bushing failures are not all that common. I have a rather large collection of dead, broken and otherwise destroyed internal transmission parts from those. For one thing the factory trans oil and the change interval is very inadequate.

 

Thanks for the reply, I have read your past posts and how you adamantly insist on yearly trans flushes.. I see why now with that many serious $$$$ repairs into trannies
knock on wood my 360 now has over 50k with yearly fluid changes & 1 shifter bushing - shifts flawless... now next time I shift I have cursed myself...

On a few local 360's each one I looked at with a 6 speed had a shot bushing, as well as many f-chatters who had same common symptoms, either second or 5/6 shifts impossible under rpms like a block is there.. wait until rpms go down & it finally falls in, so that is what I was going by for reference...

Wiggle the shifter side to side, I would say if you have any play on side to side- bushing is shot, if not as rifledriver suggested, may be far more expensive..

Good Luck! 430 6 speed heck of a car you will love it when you finally pick one out!

 

Never had a shift-bush problem with my 360. It's as tight as a nun's minky!

 

Patience..

 

I took mine in to Ferrari and they tweaked the cables it did sweet F#All.

Stumbled on your thread and bingo sorted, your the man.

 

Simply raise the issue with the seller. Get the PPI. Make this a contingency of the sale. Have them fix it with the $80 part as mentioned (you can even offer to pay for it if it resolves the problem. For the price point of the car, that would be chump change and show good faith. If the problem is fixed- bam! If not, walk away with a learned lesson (cheap).

 

Hi Rifle, just wondering what oil and frequency you recommend?

 

He does mine with Redline, every year, when he changes "everything".

 

Good call Ian. I use the same with great results, far better than the stock Shell gloop!

 

Redline - noted thanks. I've seen that name mentioned in several posts in other threads. Are we talking the same viscosity as the standard recommended though?

 

redline 75w90ns... some use 4oz of friction modifier in addition to the oil, to eliminate chatter but try without and add if needed

 

I went with royal purple in mine... fluid is actually purple! Thought it was just a catchy name They make just one type for transaxles..

Works fine, believe many here like it also..

Chris

 

From my last annual service:

As previously stated, he likes Redline, and that's good enough for me... The additive puts back the "good stuff" we discussed here a while back....Goes in the engine, not the g/box btw ......

Cheers,
Ian

 

Thanks Ian, appreciate the detail.

 

Actually it appears Rifledriver may be using Royal Purple now, following post is in regards to a 360.. Here is a post from Feb 2009 regarding this topic:

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232463&highlight=royal+purple
see post 15 for below reply:

Originally Posted by RayJohns
I was reading through the information at Redline's website tonight regarding gear oils, etc. It appears the 75W90NS is the way to go all right. They suggest that you start with this and then add the friction modifiers until the chattering from the LSD stops. Perhaps the 8 oz figure stems from someone starting with just the 75W90NS and then adding the friction modifier until the chattering from the LSD quiets down.

I'm going to attach a white paper from redline that covers the oil pretty well. I still am going to give them a call and see what they have to say. I'm also interested in perhaps using redline oil in the motor. However, I'm not sure if it would be better to use their street oil or try their racing oil? I was going to use Mobil 1 5W-30 synthetic, but since I'm going to use redline in the gearbox, I might also check into the engine oils they offer.

Anyway, as far as the gear oil issue, I think what I'm going to do is start with straight redline 75W90 NS gear oil and see how that goes. The specs call for approximately 3.70 quarts of gear oil, which works out to about 118.4 oz. So by my calculations, adding 8 oz of friction modifier would result in about a 6.75% mix of modifier by volume.

Like I say, I think I'm going to just start out with straight 75W90 NS and see how it performs. I'm not super worried about a little chatter from the LSD/tires. I mean, I used to drive a turbo charged datsun that had the spider gears in the diff welded :-D so having a little less slip in the diff on the 360 wouldn't be the end of the world. And if it is, then I can always remove a little gear oil and toss in a few ounces of friction modifier if needed.

I'll still call redline in the morning and see what the % is for the non-NS version just out of curiosity. I just ordered the gear oil (and some friction modifier) off ebay now, so once my second floor jack shows up, then I should be about ready to roll

Ray

Rifledriver:

Long thread recently Ray. 360 gear boxes run hot and we have been having problems with both the Shell and Redline turning into mud from being overheated. That was the reason we went away from Shell in the first place. Looks like we are switching to Royal Purple. Early reports say it shifts better and the racers all say when Redline did that to them they switched to Royal Purple and trouble went away.

We went to Redline over Royal Purple to start with because side by side testing with the old iron syncro cars it worked better but the 360's dont use those.



With the Redline we found about 90% of the cars did not need the additive. The additive inhibits syncro action.
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Thanks Charmer - reading that thread also answers another issue I have with a "lumpy/bumpy" feeling I have when reversing the car out of the garage when cold! Chatter seems to be the word used!

Anyway, I think I'll give the Redline a whirl and see how I go.

Thanks to all for the useful input.

 

What was the seller thinking in even putting the car on the market with that problem?
The car was still under warranty, for heaven's sake.
Did he never drive the car fast enough to engage 6th gear so he didn't know the problem existed?

 

As I understand it, chatter is the limited slip clutch plates binding then releasing. It's more like a groaning sound than lumpy bumpy.
I believe they shouldn't be doing that when the car is going in a straight line because the 2 half-shafts are then rotating at the same speed.

 

There are millions of cheap Chevys and Fords driving around that left the factory with transmission coolers. Ferrari couldn't be bothered to fit one to its $200K 360?