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should FIA reconsider engine rules?

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  1. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    i was just wondering, with now more laps running during quali, should the FIA consider the 2 engine race rule? i mean, for the fans that travel to race weekends, just to see drivers do installation laps with the cars...
     
  2. Whisky

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    I don't think so, I can recall many times drivers going out in 'practice' to do nothing more than scrub in a set of tires over 3-5 laps, then you never saw them.
     
  3. beast

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    A lot of teams are just being safe by not putting a lot of miles on the engines until they get a true reading what is happening to them under race conditions. Once they are confident in the surviavability of the engines they will start to put in more laps.
     
  4. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    It also depends on who is driving, I mean, I don't see MS putting in a lot of laps at San Marino or Imola, but he will at 'new' tracks he does not run a lot.

    You will see the new guys putting a few laps in at all the circuits.

    JMO
     
  5. Krafty

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    i think the new rule makes it harder for teams with huge budgets, but for the teams with smaller budgets it kinda levels the playing field a little bit, and i dont really know that thats a bad thing.
     
  6. Gemm

    Gemm Formula 3

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    I don't like this 1 engine per 2 race rule. Teams bring a few engines to each GP anyway, so why not regulate the number of engines allowed per race?

    I also don't like the fuel rule for the Qualy 3. I'd like to see some tweaks in this area. I think the teams should be allowed to use whatever the fuel load they like for the Q3. This gives some advantages to the 12 teams who failed to qualify for Q3.
     
  7. Krafty

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    i dont know that it gives the people who did not make it to Q3 any advantige...what do u mean by that?
     
  8. Gemm

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    For example, I think I'd rather be on the 11th grid than the 10th. The one on the 11th can change the strategy after Q2 and the engine has done quite a few laps less. Maybe I'm wrong but this is the feeling I get. And DC said on the interview today, something like 'drivers want to be either on the 1st or 11th.'
     
  9. Gilles27

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    It seems to me like starting position is less of a factor now for some teams. Other than tracks like Monaco or Hungary, it looks like whenever a top team is given a 10-spot penalty they end up running at or near the front. Ferrari should do that with Massa all season long. Change into a fresh engine every week and see how well he does. It's not like he would have won today...
     
  10. Remy Zero

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    well, i just hope they do something about this, plus the whole quali format. when i was in sepang for the quali on saturday, believe me, i just dunno what the heck was going on...pity my friends who came for an F1 event for the 1st time. they just said that it was like a race, with cars going round and round. i think they should do it in the old, free-for-all quali. cars should be allowed to refuel at any point of the time before, during, and after the quali. it's just bad to see quali more like a strategic thing compared to the fastest car on pole.
     
  11. SPEEDCORE

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    Its a stupid rule. Its not cost saving, Massa went thru 3 engines last weekend. How is that saving costs? Going thru more engines? The spectators who pay $$$ to see F1 miss out cause they dont see much F1 cars on the track.. Usually TV only deal with Qualifying and Race.

    Going back to 1 engine/race makes it fair for everyone. How much better would of last night been if Rosberg and Webber were still running?

    Max Mosley needs to GO!!!
     
  12. SRT Mike

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    I wish they would do away with it. We've seen from the whole V8 switch fiasco that the cost of R&D vastly outweighs the costs of actual production. Engines always had to last a race distance - making them last two is an artificial handicap that does nothing for the spectacle of the sport. Theres two major problems IMO. First, you get drivers with fresh engines competing with other drives with used engines and it adds a level of uncertainty that just isnt interesting. Since we dont know whats going on inside the teams, its not like we can speculate and participate in this unknown facet of the race - its just a black box. I'd hate to think Driver X didn't do as well as hoped in this race because he was saving his engine for the next. The second major problem with it is that it can affect drivers over multiple races. Witness DC - who was penalized in THIS race for something that happened last week. My .02 is that each race should be a fresh start with a clean slate. Whatever happened last week, was last week and this is a whole new week and a new opportunity. Thats what I hated about qualifying last year - a bad race with a blown motor could screw you for 2 weeks straight by making you drop 10 places and also having to qualify early on a bad track. They fixed 1/2 the equation but not the other half.
     
  13. tatcat

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    there needs to be some kind of penalty for engine changes or everyone would run a new motor for the race. maybe a time vs. place arrangement. if a motor change takes place the car suffers either a demotion on the grid or an addition of time to its finish or a combo of both. like go back ten spots or go back five spots with a stop and go or drive through penalty. i can't remember the last time i.ve seen so much fireworks in a race. i like the new format so far.
     
  14. mir88i

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    Although i see the point of having a 2 races per engine rule, I don't think its good for the sport. I mean, sure it levels out the playing field for the smaller budgeted teams but to what expense? top teams slowing down so they could preserve their machinery up to a race 2 weeks later? I think the general idea of racing is to push as fast as you can to the finish line. And I think thats what spectators want.

    And as for the new qualifying format, better but not as good as the classic 1 hour free for all quali. I think qualifying should be the event in which we see the fastest lap time set. Its should feel like a whole event on its own. with teams not being restricted by fuel/tyre/whatever requirements. Heck make them run on a couple of laps worth of fuel and have them refueled after!

    just my .02.
     
  15. Anthony_Ferrari

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    The problem with the new qualifying format is that the person who goes quickest in Q3 gets pole even though they didn't get the fastest lap that day. Qualifying should be about getting the absolute maximum speed out of the car and driver. They should always qualify on low fuel. They should then be allowed to put whatever fuel they like in the car for the race. Maybe they should have to tell the FIA how much fuel they want for the race before they actually do qualifying? That would mix things up a bit. If you unexpectedly get pole, but start the race with a heavy car you could lose out.

    I don't like the engine-change penalty rules. It's just too confusing. Nobody knew what the grid was until Sunday morning. We should know who will be starting where straight after qualifying. I like the idea of a 10 second stop-go penalty to be taken at any time in the race for those who have had an engine change. Make it 2 stop-go's if you have changed engine twice.

    With this scenario you could get a team building a super qualifying engine in an attempt to secure pole. The driver would cross the line with a pole-setting time in qualifying and then the engine let's go. They would start the race from pole and be desperately trying to build up a big enough lead so they could take the stop-go and remain in the lead. 8)
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    i agree. who knows who will be on the podium had rosberg, nick, michael, felipe, and webber started the race with fresh engines w/out any penalty.
     

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