Should team orders continue to be outlawed?

Hey,

The "definitive" poll on the subject.....

I thought the LG fan survey asked this question, but apparently not (I searched).

However, there have been a few here who claim (possibly correctly) that "the majority of fans" are in favor of the existing "no team orders that affect the outcome of the race are allowed" rule.

"We" like to think we're "fans" (most of us anyway ) - What do you reckon?

Cheers,
Ian

 

NO!

 

Either the FIA lifts the ban on team orders, or they should provide the team all means to be able to give both riders equal chances. By that I mean give each driver their own team and pit area. no stacking cars at pit stops and so on.

 

Ian does this poll have to be so black and white, I'd like to see some middle ground to be honest.

If not it would have to be allow team orders.

I mean how can a newbie really shine by just picking up the scraps.

And its almost a case of may as well run 1 car, and or the other used as a rear guard blocker I don't care for that as much.

The other thing to bear in mind is, as it is now, the way I figure it that is, team orders go on yes, but in a more, lets say discrete manner.

End of the day I suppose it's up to the teams to decide it, some may favour this way of working more than others.

 

Team orders should be allowed...but it should not be abused.

 

I thought about a third choice - But what would it be?

- "Subtle" team orders are OK?
- Team orders set before the start are OK? ["Whoever's behind holds up the field"?....]
- Team orders are OK if only one driver can get the title?

Any ideas?

As to single car teams (etc) - NO, no, no! F1 has for many years ruled that you've gotta have two nominally identical cars - At least in terms of livery. These are *teams*, fighting for the WCC (which is where the money is.....) Please let's not change *that*! [I know that's not what you're suggesting btw.]

Cheers,
Ian

 

Please then define "abuse" in this context......

We'd be back to where we are now IMO.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Well, think Austria 2002. I mean, team orders should exists because not only F1 is a team sport, it's also logic to have team orders.

Austria 2002 is where the abuse come in.

 

Tricky one, the other option leave as it is.

That maybe some where, where Brian is on it.

I have not done the maths, buts lets take Ferrari.. I can't it would be a spoiler.. maybe L8R.

Its too complicated to enforce to the letter as it is, thats the problem.

 

I absolutely agree.

Which driver pits first is currently a "team order" that "influences the race result". And yet, the rule is not enforced.

Either keep team orders, and completely separate ALL team communication between drivers and cars, or ... recognize that it's a team sport.

 

As it is now... no team orders. That's absurd...

As long as there are multi-car teams there will be team orders.

 

Absurd rule. I feel teams should have the freedom to force drivers to switch positions to the most beneficial finishing order to maximize chances for the WDC & WCC.

 

Please explain to me how drivers on the same team swapping 1-2 positions helps the WCC?

 

Case one : slower driver up front, faster driver in second, whole field "bunches up" behind, jeopardizes both team members positions.

Case two : slower driver in second, faster driver runs away, field "bunches up" behind slower driver, only one team member position jeopardized.

Conclusion : team benefits from having faster driver in front.

 

It doesn't, obviously.

Although werewolf is certainly right with his assessment (but that's not what I meant when I wrote my initial post).

 

Yes, I can see that. I could see that if the faster better driver was in #2 position with his better skills he could hold off #3 for the whole race.

I guess if he was that good he could pass his slower teammate without whinging into the radio and give us the show we paid for

Why is it only Ferrari that seems to want to make a mockery of this great sport?

 

You only think Ferrari does this? That's humorous.

 

No, I think Ferrari are the only ones that do it badly.

Please show me an example of another team making it so obvious in the last 10 years.

Ferrari 2

Rest of F1 0

 

I couldn't care less if they advertised their team orders via billboard. It's plainly obvious to anyone who watches F1 whenever it happens.

 

If you've ever spent time behind the wheel of a race car, you'll know that catching up to a slower driver, and passing a slower driver ... are two very different things.

And the way I see it, each team driver has 22 other drivers (in a field of 24) against whom he can drive aggressively. Against his team mate, he still drives competitively ... but not as aggressively (because a stupid move, or unexpected error, can eliminate both team cars, instead of just one). I would guess that all spectators expect at least a *slightly* different driving style against a team mate, compared to all other drivers on the field.

Given these numbers, it really doesn't detract from the sport in my eyes. It doesn't mock the sport, in my view, to drive against your one team mate differently than the other 23 drivers.

Yes, there is a driver's championship as well as a constructor's championship. I guess all that i'm saying is this : it doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the sport, to put the team first. And given the "team nature" of the sport, it's impossible to avoid "team decisions" ... or "orders" ... that influence the outcome.

 

As long as there is a WCC then team orders should be allowed.

 

Yes I have and I have even passed people, click that link if you want to be entertained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHeagUuBiDo

I paid to see a race and I don't want them making a joke of it. Red Bull and McLaren race why can't Ferrari?

 

i didn't mean to suggest that anyone here hasn't raced ... my apologies!

But the slower driver may, of course, still be holding the best racing line. Which means the faster driver has to go off-line, or make an aggressive braking move, to pass. It's not as simple as saying : if driver A is really faster, he would simply pass driver B.

Also, there is *risk* associated with any pass. And that risk jeopardizes two team members, instead of just one, when passing within the team.

Honestly ... it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the sport, to expect (at least) a slightly different style & risk between team mates, compared to the other 22 drivers on the field.

 

No apology needed, I did not take it that way. I thought and think you meant that most people here have not raced and I would agree with that.

 

Good stuff that I enjoyed it, must be a nice feeling when you have the right tyres on.