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Sid's View. An ongoing conversation about what's right and wrong with F1 and the world.

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  1. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    I won’t buy an electric car until I can’t buy petrol anymore and ferrari don’t make an ICE car. Even then, I’ll buy only the very fastest and least efficient one I can find.

    We’ve already ****ed planet earth...... unless places like China and India control their emissions, Sid driving his 5000 miles a year in an electric car (powered by a bloody coal electric station no doubt becusss the bearded lunatics don’t want us to use nice clean nuclear power) will not reverse the environmental damage already done in a million years.

    China and India and the rest of the emerging worlds won’t be interested in anything that stunts their catching up with the rest of the ‘first world’, and they won’t be told what to do by anyone else, they feel theyve earned the right to do exactly as we have for the last 200 years, ie, do what they want, how they want.

    So, with that in mind, use as many carrier bags as you like, Rev your engine at the lights, make sure that start/stop tech is switched firmly off in your car (even my supercharged range has that button, it’s the first button I press immediately after the starter button, I’ve NEVER left it on) and get out there and enjoy the planet, enjoy your car, enjoy your life, because there is no world order that can make everyone do what’s necessary to make a dink in the disaster of the environment, we are finished, but not for hundreds of years yet. You get three score and ten if you are lucky - use them wisely, don’t worry about things you can’t control yourself all on your own. You may feel good if you save a carrier bag at Tesco, but get real, all you’ve done is take a few pence in wages out the pocket of a worker in China on four pence a week, you aren’t curing the ice caps
     
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  2. BMWairhead

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    Didn't you say you have a daughter? It is too late to "save humanity" but we can make it as comfortable as possible for the next generation or so...

    In my country, we have people like you, but they drive diesel pick up trucks and "roll coal" when they pass Priuses.

    I feel fortunate that I won't live much more than 35-45 years. I really feel sorry for future generations.
     
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  3. daytona355

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    She’ll be living on the moon if things go the right way! Hehehe. Do you really think in a generation any slowdown in global warming will happen? Come on, really? China pumping 500 or 5000 times the waste out over the limits for most other industrial countries? You think they care enough about anyone to change? yep, the world needs these lovely folk to join in and save the world...... no chance mate, it’s fate, get used to it. Scientists are better off working out how to get interstellar travel going and be ready to evacuate when earth gives up in a few thousand years.

    I know you don’t mean it when you say you don’t like people like me, cos that would mean you don’t enjoy much fun! I love annoying Prius drivers, nothing so satisfying as pulling alongside one (or indeed a Lycra clad cycling nazi) and giving the gas pedal the full beans so as to make them wet their pants. If I had access to a big Dodge Ram or Ford F-650, I’m just the sort of guy to enjoy ‘rollin coal’. Hehehehehehehe.
     
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  4. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    Whoa...! When did I say I don't like people like you? I grew up in conservative rural Pennsylvania and now live in bleeding heart Portland...I like and appreciate ALL sorts of people. I have traveled the globe... I've been broke and I've been/felt wealthy. I'm fortunate to have been born in a first world country at a really interesting time in history. I did term papers with a typewriter and I'm typing this on a smartphone...

    However, I don't get why some purposely do things that will make life miserable sooner...

    Humanity will end...no question. How and when is up to us.
     
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  5. daytona355

    daytona355 F1 World Champ
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    The way you worded your previous post made me think that..... just like me, you have to be careful how you word stuff, I upset people all the time without actually realising it.

    Glad to hear you have a good understanding of all types of people. I wouldn’t worry, there aren’t enough people like me to make much difference either way. Just remember the three score and ten, we are here for a good time, not a long one
     
  6. Bas

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    Petrol engines have been getting incredibly efficient in recent years. The (forced) move to EV's is happening way too quickly, without thinking it through properly. Much like how suddenly everyone was supposed to drive diesel ''to save the planet''; they made driving petrol cars much more expensive. I wasn't convinced then. Now? Suddenly the governments have realized diesel is the fuel of Satan and if you drive one into a city centre, you're the devil himself. Many european cities have banned diesel cars entering their centres now! So much for diesel being the fuel of kindness....

    For the vast majority of the world, the electricity generated to power these EV's is a dirty business. Driving a Tesla in the UK is no cleaner than a petrol powered Mercedes/BMW/Audi. All we're doing is moving the problem. Batteries are near their end of their development potential.

    Do I see a use for EV's? Absolutely. IMO implement it in lorries, buses, vans...these will benefit enormously from it. Longer range lorries can use a clean generator to keep on driving, and get stupid MPG (test in Malaysia, if memory serves, averaged around 4 liters per 100km for a EV + generator loaded lorry!).

    F1 is a sport, the EV development part is used as merely an excuse for the accountants so that manufacturers can run a team. Mercedes' hybrid cars aren't any better than BMW's equivalent...BMW of course not competing in F1, or any other hybrid series that I'm aware of. I'm not even against some form of hybrid F1. Just the ludicrously expensive parts that prohibit actual racing...right now F1 is an endurance series, just one that's stretched out over a long season and multiple tracks. The old KERS format (easily implemented as one that does automatic deployment vs manual) was great. Simple, not stupid expensive...and applicable to real world. F1 would do well to revert back to that system so we can focus on the primary goal of F1: Racing.

    Even keep the current basic V6. Take off the expensive bits that need constant managing over a whole season. Right now teams get just 3 engines per season (so 6 total). And pay 17 million for them (renault. Mercedes/Ferrari more expensive). That works out at 2.8 million per engine. In the V10 era (so very much constant development), a customer team would spent around 10 million for their engine deal...and they'd use around 2 per weekend!

    Make the engine simpler, bolt on an ERS. Current V6 with twin commercially available turbos would be a great start IMO. Yes, V10/12 NA with ERS would be great but it's a pipe dream (for now). Cost to restart all that development is enormous.


    +1 I'll keep driving ICE cars until I'm forced out of one. If I'm not allowed to drive one anymore, and can only drive EV (no doubt one with autopilot also), I'll sell up and move to the Caribbean, or south pacific. Get some ****ing beach hut and a jetski.
     
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  7. BMWairhead

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    What you fail to acknowledge is that F1 is a testing ground for future automotive technology...

    “Relevance” does not mean sharing common parts with current production automobiles...it means ‘this is where we think things are headed and we’d like to explore the concept a bit...”

    If F1 becomes 80-90% spec series, those R&D expenditures will be shifted elsewhere and F1 will be dead pretty instantly.
     
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  8. BMWairhead

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    What you fail to acknowledge is that F1 is a testing ground for future automotive technology...

    “Relevance” does not mean sharing common parts with current production automobiles...it means ‘this is where we think things are headed and we’d like to explore the concept a bit...”

    If F1 becomes 80-90% spec series, those R&D expenditures will be shifted elsewhere and F1 will be dead pretty instantly.
     
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  9. Bas

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    It's what Le Mans should be for.

    F1 is supposed to be a sport to go round a track as fast as possible. Why have single seaters as a test bed for future tech? Doesn't make any sense.

    Seeing as future road cars are apparently all going to be electric, let Formula E run that course. Lets make F1 about what it should be about: Going fast around a track.

    Was F1 a test bed for future automotive tech when Ferrari was the only manufacturer? Nope. It only came (a little bit) when manufacturers started demanding which rules to have ''or we'll leave''.

    If F1 was such a test bed for road relevancy, why have carbon/carbon brakes? They're completely irrelevant to road cars. They'll never get up to the temperature needed to operate on road conditions. Why have slicks? Slicks are illegal on the road.

    When F1 had V10's and then V8's (latter with an engine freeze), there wasn't really any moaning from manufacturers that they're not allowed to develop technologies like direct injection in their engines (something which became common in road cars during this time). The engines where close together in power and each had their own advantage. Teams where developing their chassis and aero, and any tricks (not engine related). Only Mercedes and Renault moaned after a while to get these ridiculous engines. It's only applicable to manufacturers.

    F1 was an ''80-90% spec series'' yet the only ones complaining where those 2.
     
  10. william

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    Your "beef" with F1, is that you don't like how it is already, and you will like it even less in future, by the look of it.
    In short, you are someone who refuse to adapt to change.
    Tough, because the world doesn't standstill for the nostalgics among us.
    We may not like all the changes, but we have to accept them and go with the tide.
    We could argue until the cows come home, but the powers that decide things won't take a blind bit of notice of our objections anyway.
    Let's enjoy what we have at the moment at least.
    I personally think that after 5 years of existence, the debate about the introduction of an hybrid formula looks a bit of a storm in a tea cup.
    It will be the same when electric cars will arrive.
     
  11. william

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    Dirrectly, or indirrectly, the car industry is the biggest investor in F1 at the moment.
    Let's not forget: "Who pays the piper, calls the tune"
    If the FIA was to adopt very simplistic rules for F1, car manufacturers would stop seeing it as a testbed for new technology,.
    The car industry would probably stop investing in F1 and withdraw its support, making it poorer.
    Without the Tobacco industry, and the car industry, who would back F1?
    The oïl company are out, alcohol advertising under threat too; where would the millions come from?
     
  12. Etcetera

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    No it isn't.

    The idea of using an internal combustion engine with an electric motor/generator and a battery entered large scale serial production by Toyota with their Prius line of cars in 1997. F1 didn't employ this concept until 2014. Arriving to the game 17 years after Toyota did isn't exactly futuristic tech.

    Further, future F1 rules do not introduce any tech that is new and useful to road cars.
     
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  13. fer312t

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    Those would all be positive developments imo...a "smaller" sport, again more in the hands of specialists/enthusiasts - racing as and end unto itself.
    This has nothing to do with 'clinging to the past' or wanting to stop progress, but a recognition the that the road car industry and "racing" have increasingly incomparable ends (and that this is actually OK.) The former naturally being about efficiency, safety, systems and automation (the sterilization of the driving process and the minimization of its impact.) The later being a bright, loud and beautiful anachronism - a celebration of analog artistry.
     
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  14. daytona355

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    So, we are nostalgic dinosaurs wanting t9 watch petrol driven cars racing around a track? ********. How many people have electric cars? Not very many yet, and it will take years before the average electric car aside from ****ty little boxes like leafs etc are within the grasp of the average motorist..... you know, the people supposedly F1 is a test bed for the vehicles that they drive.

    Electric cars won’t be mainstream until charging and other infrastructure is common, and buying an electric version of a 3-series doesn’t cost £100k+. Until then, road cars will still be petrol and diesel (although VW tried their best to kill diesel with their imaginative mpg figures), and with governments realising now they’ve taxed it to death, they were creating a massive environmental problem.

    As Bas said, let Le Mans and other series do the road car developments - F1 only ever created things for road cars as a fortunate by product of building the fastest possible cars to go around a track for the enjoyment of motor racing fans. Do you think they’d develop things for manufacturing unless it made them win races? Nope.....

    Why can’t we have a series that isn’t politically correct for all us dinosaurs and sexists to watch and letch over sexy young girls (who earn good money and seem to be smiling about it by the way) and let the tree huggers that supposedly watch racing for the environmentally friendly side of things go and watch something else. - push bike racing, paint drying championships, hair suit weaving, etc etc.. boring bastards.
     
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  15. daytona355

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    So, Fernando has finally succumbed to his situation and decided to hang up his F1 helmet and go try something else full time. He is a big loss to F1, but then, he’s been lost to F1 since he rejoined McLaren.

    His career was on the up until he joined them the first time, he was a true challenger to Schumacher, able to almost go toe to toe with the GOAT, although even he would admit Michael had the edge if in identical machinery mainly down to temperament. As a man, yes, he was able to divide us all on whether he was just a fierce competitor or a moaning ninny, but I would have to say that part of what we think of as our kknowledge of his manner and attitude are borne from that information fed to us in the spectacular end to his McLaren career.

    It should be noted that Alonso was merely the driver in a team whose management decided to use the stolen information.... he did not steal the plans, nor copy them, nor pay Stepney off. Yes, his car was developed using the info and he knew, but he was a driver! McLaren had a contract with him that made him the number one, the team leader, yet Ron Dennis and his team, once they saw that elton was a fast talent, and had the added benefit of great marketing as the ‘first black f1 world champion’ etc, decided to switch allegiance to elton and treat Alonso the exact opposite for which he was hired and contracted. A personal issue between the men existed also (Alonso and Ron) which further exacerbated the situation.

    Come the end of the season yes, Alonso tried to avenge the treatment he had to put up with by suggesting he would turn supergrass (or rat) on the team, pushing Dennis into a position where he either gave Alonso the treatment THAT HE WAS AFTER ALL CONTRACTED TO RECIEVE, or fell on his own sword and informed the FIA of the cheating himself. Ron being Ron, gambled that the FIA would merely sanction a few races, he certainly didn’t expect the multi million dollar fines and level of punishment meted out.

    Since then, Alonso appeared to people outside of the inner workings of F1 as poison, his career did continue, a stint at Renault while he waited for the ferrari contract to take effect, then the years at ferrari where, had we been able to design even the second best car, Alonso could easily have been champion but our strategists let him down big time. When he left, he did so at the wrong time, the wrong part of the year to announce it, and with no serious offers on the table..... he gambled his talent would be enough to shove himself into a red bull or Mercedes, but neither team blinked, and he found himself gambling heavily on the promises made to him by Honda and McLaren, promises of race wins and ‘Senna-esque’ seasons of Honda dominance like 1988/1989.

    It wasn’t to be, Honda vastly under achieved, and McLaren were unable to design speed into the car to make up for the shortcomings of the PU. The move to Renault was contrived to show that they can still design a good car, the PU should have dropped in and put McLaren on a par with the red bull at least, maybe even above them, but as we have seen, the rubbish McLaren have been feeding everyone about the chassis being amazing and if they could just get the right PU they will be champs, was exactly that, rubbish, and they are still circulating at the back, they just don’t blow up so readily.

    Alonso has finally tired of circulating around dreaming of the day the promises come true, and wants a challenge. I have no doubt Alonso will go to another series and become a champion there with the right equipment - like schumi, he is at least a champion that can add the difference to make a bad car a challenger regardless of its shortcomings. I expect him to achieve his triple crown dream in short time, and who knows what championships he will win before he retires, maybe he will even return to F1 in the future when Liberty stop messing around with it and allow proper development again and racing to be exciting
     
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  16. daytona355

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    So, Spa this weekend, let’s hope Ferrari bring some developments, Seb and Kimi are on it, and elton blows his engine up in qualy.

    Cold temperatures don’t bode well for us, but then again, it’s a long circuit, so maybe that will help us get the temps into the tyres a bit better than these tiny little modern circuits
     
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    So, it seems old ‘honest Christian’ tried to hire Alonso into the red bull and was turned down.......... and yet some people here say Alonso is **** and couldn’t get a job at the front of the grid? Hehehehehe, fun and games ladies and gents, fun and games
     
  18. ktu

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    Alonso have't been the same since Hamilton ruffed him up in 2007
     
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    And he becomes more of a prima dona every day by the look of things !!!

    Some people don't know when to quit ...
     
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    Yeah yeah, get outta my thread, you haven’t a clue. Alonso had to fight the whole team. Remember, elton is ****

    ;)
     
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    I know, I wish elton would shut up and **** off
     
  22. ktu

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    Some say Alonso mentally retired in 2007, decided to wait till 2018 because of the money
     
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  23. daytona355

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    Only you do, the rest acknowledge he’s the best driver on the current grid. Everyone agrees elton is a prick though, if that makes you feel better
     
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    Hamilton is recognized as the most complete driver on the grid while Alonslow has been proven to be a c*&%... Chris Horner said so himself.
    Hasn't won a WDC in over a decade and a race in 5 years. I think he's the only 2x WDC
    to have been forced out of F1 LOL!
     
  25. fer312t

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    At the end of the day, both Lewis and Fernando are the strongest drivers F1...and both of them are very much aware this :D (thus - despite their rocky start, and the genuine rancor early on - there is deep core of respect between the two of them nowadays.)
     

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