Signed Art Prints by Picasso,Chagall,Miro

what do you mean? Did they sign prints back then?

Does anyone else find this thread funny for some reason?

 

Yeah, the whole idea of a signed print sounds funny. I just can't picture an artist signing a print.

 

Ok. Glad i'm not the only one

 

Sure artists sign prints. Lithographs are usually signed & numbered. The numbers reflect the order that that print comes off the press over the number of prints produced. Then there are “artist proofs” printed before the formal run that my be more valuable.

 

I'm talking about people like Picasso, not johnny artist who waits tables to pay the bills. I have just never seen a signed Picasso art print. Does that mean they aren't out there, no. It just seens weird.

 

An authentic signed print will usually come with papers of authenticity. Like a car registration & title.

 

I've seen at least one Picasso signed piece in the home of a geologist I worked with. He said it was the real deal.

 

I've seen prints / lithographs signed by Miro, as Venus said, they tend to be limted runs and numbered, somehow don't think your going to get anything signed by Picasso & co. for $500

why not buy something you like from an up an coming local artist?

 

BTW: I have a signed & numbered Dali that is quite nice.

 

Tons of forgeries, including fake certificates. A gallery owner, think it was Circle, went to jail for stuff like this 10 or 15 years ago- think it was Dali 'stuff.'
The art market has always been rife with this problem, even on the high end.

 

be careful in this market. there are a ton of bona fide signed and numbered prints/lithos/serios/whatever-os out there. however, there are at least three things you need to think about. first, most of the big names who did this did so in huge volumes - dali is a good example. the super-prolific guys just signed the paper and then their "people" ran the prints onto the paper and pencilled in the the edition information (eg: "AP 6" or "16/350"). second, i don't know about now, but back in the late 80s and early 90s there were a lot of shysters in this space pushing perhaps legit, but way overpriced stuff. third, a certificate of authenticity is only as good as you can verify. many of the shadier outfits that sold these sorts of things back when issued certs with the prints, but the companies are gone - there's no real way to authenticate anymore.

i have in the past brought prints to local knowledgeable dealers. some auction houses who handle such stuff have certain hours per week or month when they'll look at stuff gratis or for a minimal fee. but you should expect that your best response will be something like "it's probably genuine - we'd sell it as authentic". nothing's wildly definite unless and until you pay some real money to have it authenticated properly.

net-net, signed and numbered prints for most of the artists so far mentioned in this thread run the gamut from "not uncommon" to "wildly common" and you want to be thoughtful about spendig your hard-earned money on them.

if you are serious about collecting art, you should consider whether you can spend the same money on original art (as opposed to reproductions - prints, seriographs, lithographs, etc.) from emerging talent instead. i like Miro as much as the next guy (well, actually, probably MORE than the next guy!) but i don't own any signed/numbered Miro prints - they're very pricey and for the same money there are a dozen artists represented in downtown boston who i'd rather support and whose originals i'd rather own instead of a Miro print.

fwiw,
doody.

 

ah - Circle! they had that big showroom in Ghirardelli Square.

color me unsurprised.

doody.

 

Have it authenticated - I talked a friend out of getting one years ago - there were too damn many to choose from. I still remember getting that "you were right!" call after the news hit the papers.

See, it wasn't just others doing counterfeits - even HE was counterfeiting his OWN art - it's called auto-forgery.
http://www.caslon.com.au/forgeryprofile5.htm

In a massive 1991 seizure at the Amiel headquarters in New York, investigators confiscated more than 75,000 counterfeit art works. The Amiel inventory included more than 50,000 copies of Dali titles and more than 20,000 copies of Miro titles, as well as copies of titles attributed to Picasso and Chagall. On May 12, 1995, three members of the Amiel family were sentenced in New York on federal conspiracy and mail fraud charges.
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1995/08/gabos3.htm

thousands confiscated...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14779-2004Sep11.html

Welcome to ART FRAUDS AND COUNTERFEIT DETECTION
http://groups.ebay.com/forum.jspa?forumID=300005027
Dali, Picasso... eBay...

Sorry.

 

:::Digs through big Crayola box, futilely searching for "unsurprised":::

 

I bought mine in the late 70s (BEFORE HE DIED) from a gallery that had a wide selection of his work. Not one of his commonly known liths. Has papers, etc & if it is a fake, I simply don't want to know about it. Besides, I never plan to sell it.

 

It is best to stick with a reputable art dealer or gallery vs. buying a limited edition litho, serigraph or etching on ebay. Picasso did many ltd. edition lithographs and etching in his career and they can be reasonable. Chagall did lithos, etchings and aqua tints as well, in ltd. editions. All depends on the piece, but always advisable to deal with an expert. Authenticity can be a question. Most high end dealers deal directly with the artists publisher, which is always best.

 

I dont understand the print market. To me it seems a copy of an original is worthless. If you buy art for arts sake, a picture of a "masterpiece" will do. If you want "originality", a print is the opposite.

 

David, I know what you mean. I used to manage a gallery and people would ask the same question. Just think of it as a different medium, which it is. Oil is a medium, charcoal sketch is a medium, lithographs, serigraphs, etchings, etc. are all different mediums that artists work with. Many ltd. editions sell well into the 10's of thousands of dollars, depending on the artist, the piece, etc.

 

yeah i've seen an oddly shaped countach with a little picture of a horny cow on it, he said it was the real deal.

 

I have several Miros and keep an eye on eBay for $hits and giggles. Most of the "signed prints" are out of a couple of numbered volumes that will occasionally pop up as well, but the prints are likely forged. If you want something cool, buy the book, not a page out of it.

I found the art world to be even shadier than used exotic car dealers in Florida. Work with a reputable gallery (JPF's family owns one in NYC and is a consultant in these matters and has helped me out a lot) or an auction house. Do the research and you can figure out what is what.

And yes, the big names did lithographs. For example Picasso did over 800. If you are interested, I found this book to be helpful.

Pablo Picasso: The Lithographs (Hardcover)
by Pablo Picasso, Felix Reusse, Henri Deschamps

When in doubt, check with an expert.

The other way that my family has figured out how to make sure you don't get ripped off is to work with the artist or their agent directly (if they are still alive).

 

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