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Discussion in '206/246' started by need4speed, Jun 18, 2010.

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  1. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Last night, I turned on my lights and nothing. No lows or highs. I checked all the fuses. Took them out. Inspected them and replaced them. And still nothing. I could hear a relay clicking away every now and again. And my fans would turn on now and again. May or may not have been in sync with the clicking.

    This morning, the lights work fine. There was no "clicking" sound at the switch. So maybe it's a short?
     
  2. johnvwatts

    johnvwatts Formula Junior

    Jul 7, 2007
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    I had exactly the same thing . Its a relay. My problem was the alternator was giving to much power to the relay and blew it. Relay went eventually, changed it only to have the same thing again. Put a newer style regulator in rather than the original and this seemed to have solved it. The older type of regulators don't seem very good at coping with excess voltage although it is / was probably the alternator at fault in my case ie overcharging.
     
  3. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Interesting you say this. I just changed over to an internally regulated alternator and this started happening. I'm not very good with automotive electronics so please forgive the next question. When I turn my headlight switch on, I hear my relay click-click. Does this mean the relay is good or bad?

    Thanks,

    Manny
     
  4. jselevan

    jselevan Formula 3

    Nov 2, 2003
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    Many - if I remember correctly, there are two relays for the lights. When you turn the stalk to turn on the parking lights, you will hear a click. When you move the stalk down to activate the main beams and brights an additional relay comes into play.

    The relay may be pulling the armature, but the high-current connection in the relay may be burnt. You will hear the click but no current will pass through the relay to the lights.

    On the light relay check to make sure that C1 and C4 are connected. These are stamped on the bottom of the relay. C2 brings current to the relay, and the clicking suggests that you have a live connector at the electromagnet pulling the armature (C2). Any 12-volt inexpensive light relay can be used to test the system. These can be purchased at any auto parts store or electronic surplus shop. If you get such a relay let me know and I can walk you through how to connect it.

    The problem is not the alternator or regulator.

    Jim S.
     
  5. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Jim,

    Thanks for the info. I'm hoping to check this out this weekend.

    Manny
     
  6. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    Make a point of checking the connections at the back of the Amp gauge. When those connections go, none of the systems get full voltage and strange gremilns start to show up.

    Of the last 4 in, 2 were at full melt down and 1 was very near.
     
  7. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Dave,

    If this is the case, would the gauge read erroneously? My gauge seems to be in perfect health.
     
  8. jselevan

    jselevan Formula 3

    Nov 2, 2003
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    Manny and Dave - loose amp meter connection is a serious issue. However, the symptom would not be as you described with the lights. The amp meter connections should be checked periodically and the brass nuts snugged up. The symptom of loose amp meter connection is heat. The back of the gauge will get quite hot, and can lead to fire or damaged gauge.

    Jim S.
     
  9. synchro

    synchro F1 Veteran

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    #9 synchro, Jun 25, 2010
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    hat the problem area is the contacts at the base of the stalk on the steering column. A difficult place to get to and you'll need a special ring nut socket (38mm I think) to remove it.


    I don't ever mean to jump Dave's posting but I believe he means to make sure
    - the contact faces are clean so they make electrical contact
    - the securing nuts are tight to make good mechanical contact

    I believe the gauge needle might be jumping around if the contacts were loose and able to bounce around.
     
  10. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    #10 davehelms, Jun 26, 2010
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2010
    Nope. Consistantly low readings perhaps but none of the owners had a complaint of gauge readings being off.

    High resistance causes high heat and low voltage/current available to everything down stream that is fed off of the circuit... a snowball sitting atop a big hill.

    Make this a "first thing to check" when electrical problems show up on a 246. So many out there have come so close to burning from this situation and it only takes a few moments to look at it in a mirror. If it is starting to fail, a visual inspection will leave no question if it is a required repair.

    The sympton's described are exactly what I have chased and found to be caused by failed connections at the gauge in the past. Surely it was the case on my 74GTS
     
  11. need4speed

    need4speed Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    This proved to be the relay. Thanks to all for your inputs.

    Manny
     

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