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Simple Poll; Should F1 allow refueling?

Discussion in 'F1' started by Fast_ian, Dec 11, 2012.

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Should refueling be allowed in F1?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Hey,

    Prompted by the debate in the other thread, I figured it's time for another poll. ;)

    Very simple, yes or no answer - No cop-out option! Personally, I don't much care either way but suspect that would be the majority answer if offered. So, you've gotta come down on one side or the other......

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  2. HH11

    HH11 F1 Rookie
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    I see no problem with it. Never understood the concept anyway. I'm for refueling.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Yes. Time to bring it back. Another item to keep things mixed up.
     
  4. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    How much more "mixed up" do we need? There's some "purists" out there who reckon it's all too close and mixed up as it is!........ ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  5. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    What's the avg time it takes to complete a refuel stop?
     
  6. S Brake

    S Brake F1 World Champ

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    I say yes, it adds an element of uncertainty to the pit stops.
     
  7. junglistluder

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    Yes, I remember the pit stops being twice as exciting because you never knew when the car would burst into flames or the car would drive away with the rig still attached. Bring it back! :D
     
  8. Gilles27

    Gilles27 F1 World Champ

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    I've always hated refueling. In general I never liked pit stops as a race strategy, but it's the nature of the beast these days and I accept it. Refueling just adds an unnecessary danger to the pit lane, and it always seemed that it only went awry when the equipment failed, which had nothing to do with the teams. If refueling IS reintroduced, they should allow teams to develop their own systems (upon FIA approval) so at least it's another extension of each team's engineering capabilities.
     
  9. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Devils advocate here;

    It also made the cars significantly lighter and hence faster....... Which may or may not be relevant of course. ;)

    Some of Michael & Ross' strategies back in the day were truly awesome to watch - He'd do a 3 stopper versus the other guys 2 and still come out ahead.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  10. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    The more the better :)
     
  11. joker57676

    joker57676 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Absolutely. I hate seeing them *****footing around saving fuel when they should be out there burning the wheels off the car for an hour and a half. I know the tires now limit this somewhat, but still think the drivers would be more free to go nuts if they were on light fuel.


    Mark
     
  12. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    IIRC, they were down to about 12-15 seconds. (?)

    Took all the pressure off the tire changers - They had time for a smoke or watch the TV back then........ ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  13. joker57676

    joker57676 Two Time F1 World Champ

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    It was more like 6-8 seconds if I remember right. That's still longer than it took to change the tires.


    Mark
     
  14. TifosiUSA

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    +1 It was around that.


    Even Nascar is 12-13 seconds these days with way fewer crew members
     
  15. Tifoso1

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    There are many other things that I like to see come back but I am indifferent to re-fueling.
     
  16. stever

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    I voted 'no'. I'm a purist.

    Refueling in a 2 hour race is kinda like a cleats-up slide into 2nd....it really isn't what the game is about.

    (Why don't marathon runners be made to chug a quart of milk at 13 miles? It would add uncertainty.......<sarcasm> )
     
  17. Bas

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    I see positives/negatives in both.

    With refueling, a F up during the race could be corrected by radically changing the strategy. Or a radical strategy (4 stop for MSC in france) could be used to win a race and still keep things close.

    Without refueling, the playing field is more level and it's more down to the tire guys getting their **** together.

    If it's stays away I don't care. If it comes back I don't care.
     
  18. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    An unnecessary artifice. The fewer pits stops, the better. Let the race be decided on the track, not in the pits.
     
  19. 05011994

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    +1, why pass on the track when you can pass in the pits through strategy. I remember too many very early Sunday mornings with so much promise of on track action, morphing into strategic decisions of how to be able to move up a position without the inconvenience of actually making a pass. I hate DRS, but I find it less offensive than all of the position changing in the pits rather than on the track.
     
  20. Isobel

    Isobel F1 World Champ

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    Another variable with the possibility of becoming dramatic. Good.
     
  21. Robb

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    I see both sides to refueling. I like the whole contest since there are so many involved already in the pits and with the computers. I like the added storyline. And I like that they are driving as fast as the limits can take them without worrying about a lack of filling up.

    Robb
     
  22. Drive550PFB

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    Harder tires which run longer equals more fuel. Longer stints. Balance that against shorter stints--softer tires and less fuel. Cars will move faster but probably need a significant margin to overcome the time in the pit lane.

    Makes racing better.

    Bring it back
     
  23. rdefabri

    rdefabri Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Part of the strategy and puts more responsibility on the driver. Must have refueling.
     
  24. Ney

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    Sure it is what the game is about, as it adds another layer of "team" to a team sport.


    ;)...but should they be made to carry all the water that they will consume during the race from the very beginning?

    I vote 'yes'. Light cars and heavy cars might even eliminate the need for DRS.

    Heck, while they are at it, they should be able to change the KERS battery as well and gain some advantage.
     
  25. bbpathfinder

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    Dont need it, with tires only lasting 10-12 laps at some races we have enough pit stops the way it is.
     

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