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single stage or base/clear?

Discussion in '206/246' started by Jamie H, Feb 23, 2011.

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  1. Jamie H

    Jamie H Formula 3
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    Aug 28, 2009
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    Jamie
    We have been given the choice between single stage or base/clear for the finish on the 246.

    We are leaning toward single stage as we believe it will be closer to the original finish. As far as concours judging goes, do they subtract points for base/clear paint?

    Any input is appreciated
     
  2. B.Wilmarth

    B.Wilmarth Rookie

    Dec 21, 2009
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    As a painter I will tell you that if you are using a solid color (non metallic) you absolutely do NOT want it clearcoated. 1. If you get a scratch on single stage paint you can touch it up and buff it for a nearly undetectable repair. 2. Any/All defects in the color coat of a clearcoat finish will always be visible. 3. Although debatable, single stage paintjobs look better, last longer, and were oem on almost all (high end) cars until the 90's.
     
  3. swift53

    swift53 F1 Veteran
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    Why did they change to the base/clear system? It seems to hold up pretty well on moderns...


    Regards, Alberto
     
  4. B.Wilmarth

    B.Wilmarth Rookie

    Dec 21, 2009
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    Most new finishes are clearcoat. This was brought about by environmental rules on solvents and certain metals(the paints aren't better). The best paint ever (my opinion) was 21 line Glasso, however it contained isocyanates(sp) and lead. Sikkens(my second favorite) has also discontinued its single stage colors due to the same reasons. There are other problems associated with the changes (color match,adhesion etc.) that make partial refinishes challenging. Ferrari has adopted PPG as its new finishing system and PPG still makes a single stage urethane color ( Concept),I've been using it for 5 years with good results. The PPG formula for Rosso Corsa seems to be a close match.
     
  5. dinogts

    dinogts Formula 3
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    Are there single stage metallics - or do all metallics now have to be two stage/clearcoats?
     
  6. GT4 Joe

    GT4 Joe Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2010
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    I think all metallics have been basecoat/clearcoat since the mid 1970's. The single stage metallics just didnt hold up.
    As to whether a judge would subtract points, how would they know on a red or black car if it were clear coated or not?
    Yes, the new paint materials are different due to environmental concerns, and have their faults. But they are here to stay. If I were spending $15 to $50K to do a cosmetic restoration on a 246, I would definitely go with the mainstream new materials from a paint warranty standpoint alone. Sure, you can still get the oldschool paint, but a manufacturer isn't going to help the shop if there is a problem later. Just my 2 cents.
    Joe
     

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