I agree.. they are pre-reserve and basically made by 2 accounts. There's one account who retracted a bid.. the guy probably read what was done to the car after bidding..
Faced with the cost of a total rebuild when values were depressed I could see someone taking this path. Looks like someone put a lot of effort into this but the angle in the CV joints looks dubious for longevity.
USA.... home of the hot rod. But for some reason Italian exotics are off limits. Absurd. While in another thread stuffing an airplane engine into a vintage pickup truck excites all.
I totally agree... I have a dry sump 308 and would never butcher that, but I think it would be fantastic to drop an aluminum small block 427 into a 81 GTBi. People could tip up their snoots all they want, but how much fun would that be? Some 308s should be fair game for hot rodding, to be sure.
Hot rods are/were created because the original was a piece of *****. Think about it; those old vintage cars with moderner engines, etc. go like stink, and are an improvement. Putting a low tech Chev v8 in a Ferrari is going backwards. Yeah the result will be faster, in a straight line, but that is because of the extra 2.7 litres ... yawn. Pete
I used to think the same way until spending time at the machine shop that is rebuilding my GT4 engine. Kent is a one man band who builds mostly Ford and Chevy V8's and the odd Alfa, Jag, Porsche and even a Gullwing engine. He has built V8s for sprint cars with customers as far south as Australia but now mostly does drag boat and muscle car engines. My perception of low revving low efficiency engines was completely wrong. These engines have had 50 years of engineering development in cylinder head design and are now pretty capable units. Carrillo rods, titanium valves and light weight high compression pistons make 9,000 rpm and 90hp/liter a reality. The small block engines are also remarkably compact and are not that heavy despite their iron core. I remember the lesson learned in my 928 days when someone weighed their all aluminium Teutonic V8 and found it was slightly heavier than a small block Chevy! Not saying I am about to swap out my 3.0 from the GT4 for a small block Chevy just that I no longer find that suggestion such heresy.
Mods may want to merge this thread with the earlier one- same car. http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/308-328-sponsored-yellow-compass-group/531659-308-euro-qv-resto-mod-chevy-engine.html
They don't come out of the GM factory with titanium valves and Carrillo rods do they kiwiokie. And all that expense ... would be cheaper to rebuild the original engine. Of course there is a lot of race build knowledge but the starting point is a ... Look at the current American v8 engines hp per litre. Rubbish ... but absolutely we can massively change that. Oh and 90hp/litre after all that race work is cr@p. My 1600cc 2 valve Alfa Sud engine had 200hp and was dead reliable and revved to 8500 rpm all day long. I could use 9000 rpm if I needed to. The starting point with a 308 engine is many years ahead of a production Chev v8. Sure its light and the pinnacle of what a pushrod engine can be, but it is still a very high production engine with all the compromises that entails. Now just imagine putting all that race tech (and expense) into a 308 engine and see the results. Pete
They're all automatic bids...someone bids right below the reserve, then every once in a while somebody (a buddy) is bidding $500 or $1000 and it automatically bids another $100. Makes it look like there's action, but all fake...Won't sell.... Image Unavailable, Please Login
The American v8 is cheap, inefficient but reliable hp. If you don't care about engine size they are the best option. And thankfully somebody makes them, but nothing awesome about them. Pete Saying all that the designers of these v8 engines need credit. Having to design one engine for so many vehicles with such long service intervals and potential abuse, plus high volume manufacturing requirements and lastly low unit cost. Considerable challenges!
Jeez Pete don't get you knickers in a knot. The ad clearly states the engine is not a crate motor from a production car and I expect you know very well it is harder to get higher efficiency from a larger capacity engine than a 1600cc. Other than sodium filled valves and tighter design tolerances I don't see much in my 308 motor that is significantly higher tech to my old 1972 Fiat 124 Sports Coupe. BTW the 2017 Mustang GT gets 435hp from 5.0l from a high production volume normally aspirated engine. The Shelby version which is still relatively high production volume is 526hp from 5.2l. That is not rubbish.
I think a car like that is work in the $40's. It just isn't what most people want. Of course you never know, some person might want the Ferrari look, but some American motor that is easy to get parts for. It will take a long time to sell something like that I guess. If it was around $45K, I might look at it, but would probably be looking for the original motor and chip away at bringing it back to more stock. It would take years and quite a bit of money.
Agree, but I'm not a large inefficient motor person. Agree. In fact the 308 motor looks like 2 FIAT 124 motors to me. I also doubt the tighter design tolerances Much better!!! Well done Ford. Pete
I have to admit I agree with previous as well - not a huge fan of large low-hp engines, but have to admit as well dont quite like small engines, with very high hp through super high rpm. torque is definitely important to me Understand it's tricky for this type of US engines, since they like to produce super large engines, which then cant rev, and hp being a product of torque and revs, hp comes low..
hello pete! good to see you brought over your rants from alfa bb what makes you think an american v8 is low tech these days? it will be faster but also most likely handle better because its physically smaller and lighter. the inline zf transaxle also has its benefits. oh yes they do... vette motor has titanium rods, ti intake valves and sodium ex valves, dry sump and revs to 7k all stock. i wouldnt call this a compromise. hp per liter is NOT a measure of efficiency though its a good indicator. there is something called BMEP for that. i dont want to get into since im an awful typer. you will get twice the mpg in a vette motor over a 308 motor if driven sparingly. at least thats my experience and thats with a fuel miser injected gtsi variant. anyhow the new ford v8 is more than 100hp/liter revs to 8k and no v8 throb due to flat crank though... i would argue if it sounds better though there have been some moderately successful Anglo/Italian exotics ie detomaso, iso, bizzarinni etc... i too believe a yankee v8 in a 308 is sacrilege. the 308 motor even in 2v form is a fantastic charismatic motor given its age. all is well hf ps i recall that particular 308 has a longer wheelbase. i wonder how it handles compared to a stock one?
Is it really stretched? Hard to tell without seeing more detailed pics inside the engine bay. Yes there are Italian designed cars with American motors in them that have done pretty well, hell Panteras are up in the 6 figure range last time I looked. But that was the way they came from the factory. I think the problem most guys have is the same as most would have with someone taking the Ford lump out of an old Cobra and dropping in an LS7. Would it perform better, yeah probably but it wouldn't be the same. Yeah hot-rodding is all about taking something and making it better. But sometimes the real "heart" of the car needs to stay to keep the same feel to it. In the end it's that guys car and he did to it what he wanted. If someone else ponies up the money to buy it then it will become his and he can do with it as he pleases. I'll say that it's not for me but then again I'm not bidding on it so what I think doesn't really matter much does it!!
