Anyone ever been taken to Small Claims Court by the buyer of your car? I sold my 1987 Mondial, via a broker in California in 2016. The buyer is trying to sue us for $10k each related to claims of Fraud (no details on that), Negligence (no details on that), and Two incidents of Odometer Tampering (what proof of that he has in unknown to the broker and I, plus the odometer was not tampered with). The broker, who has been in business for twenty five years, sold the car AS IS and has the signed documents to prove that the buyer was aware of this. The buyer did not avail himself of any PPI. Just wondering how anyone handled a situation like this. The Broker believes the buyer has no case since he was aware that he was buying the car AS IS. Believe this is a case of buyers remorse two years after the fact. Thanks
I'd suggest you contact the plaintiff directly as if you are interested in exploring a settlement, and ask what his complaints about the transaction are. Then contact an attorney friend with that info and find out if the buyer has any case.
Two years after the fact????? Seems to me the first thing to do is to find out if the law will even allow an action after that much time. Is the guy a big time Hollywood producer whose employees all love him?
I attempted to contact him after the sale to let him know he could contact me with any questions he had. The broker told me he was not interested. The attorney I contacted said, "It has been two years since the sale, and the sale was AS IS. He is out of luck."
My office is in small claims court every week. In ca, in order to file they have to sign that they have asked for the money. I’d talk to the broker first, something may be missing from the conversation. You do not want a judgment recorded against you.
From what I’ve seen I’d say never NOT respond. I thought that small claims required in state or in locale actions. In any case, research the conditions for small claims in the jurisdiction filed and if the action doesn’t meet the conditions, respond in writing why it doesn’t apply. No response often times results in default judgments against the non respondent. SV Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Since the car is a 1987, I assume there have been several owners. The "as is" nature of the sale puts him in a certain losing position unless he can prove fraud, and he isn't even indicating what alleged fraud occurred. This will be interesting, please keep us updated.
I doubt fraud and odometer tampering are subject to an “as is” agreement. Perhaps there were problems with the odometer that existed before you purchased the car. Try dig up the original receipt with miles listed. If you sold the car in another jurisdiction file for change of venue
Depending on the temperature of the water in your area, many small claims courts are extremely pro-consumer. The last thing you want to do is ignore this.
We have found also that most courts favor the party that filed the complaint. We do allot of trial prep, with table of contents, summary, and all exhibits have page numbers on them. Being prepared, documented, and non-emotional goes a long way towards wining your case. Do your best to have your documentation match your testimony
The seller may be referring to a carfax report, as a wild guess. My testarossa has 14k miles. Carfax shows at one point it had 113k miles, etc. When you go for emmissions testing, they "assume" its 113k miles as its a 30 year old car. You don't find out until later. Good luck fixing it...
Are you in California? If someone is suing you they must list on the small court application what the suit is for. Usually with some detail. First court date is usually just to set the next court date, for a trial if needed. The first court date nothing ever gets settled. You definitely need to go or send someone...
I did three small claim case a few months ago. On the date of each, showed up, told the judge my story, the defendant say their **** and a half hour later it's done. The judge makes his decision within 30 days and mails a summary to both parties.
The broker told you the plaintiff was not interested in settlement? I suggest you talk to the plaintiff directly.
A 10k risk is not worth asking people on f-chat for their non-legal opinions from different jurisdiction. If you’re in my state (and best yet my county) I’d give you an opinion after looking at the pleadings.
Well both I and the broker who sold the car are going to court in July. In the document filed with the court he states the broker and I owe him money due to Fraud, Negligence, and two incidents of Odometer Tampering related to the sale of the Ferrari. Because this sale was in California the car had to be smogged before it could be transferred to me. The car passed that smog test at 61,709 miles in 2012, it went through another smog test in 2014 at 64,355, and a final smog test in May of 2016 (before it was sold) at 66,574. So I had it for a total of 4,865 miles. The Car-fax shows numerous smog and service records going back to 1991, 33,892 miles, until the last one on the Car Fax at Nov 2015, at 66,222 miles. I did not tamper with the odometer (would have not idea how to do it) and to the best of my knowledge no one else has tampered with the odometer. I believe his claim of Fraud is related to the reference related to odometer tampering. For some reason the new buyer had $23K worth of work done on the car. What that consisted of I do not know. I believe, but do not know for certain, it was for a major service on the car. I had a major service done on the car before it was sold. The receipt for that service was with all the other records I had for the car, which was in a binder which contained every record I had for anything I bought or had done on the car. So my records are complete. The broker and I are preparing our response for the court appearance, and I am arranging for the owner of the shop to be in court that day. Will see how it goes. Believe this is a case of "Buyers Remorse" twenty-six months after the sale of the car. If he paid $23K for a major service on the car, he got taken. Plus the shop where he spent $23k was not a Ferrari shop. It was the type of shop which worked on any type of car driven into the shop. Will keep everyone posted.
Note that in California in small claims that you have to exchange any evidence you plan to submit before the trial. Well documented is well handled... also don’t be surprised if he ends up not showing... SV Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Surely any judge would have to query why it's taken the plaintiff over two years to become concerned about the cars mileage?
It almost sounds as if whoever ripped him off for the $23k worth of service is deflecting to you to justify the charges.
IIRC, small claims only allows damages up to $7500. Then they have to be actual damages and not projected. I’m still betting he’ll bail...hoping the defendant wasn’t going to show... SV Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
One does not have took far to find people who have little technical knowledge and are predisposed to believing they're being "had". It's SOP for some people. Don't know if there'd be any way to use it as evidence, but I'd be tempted to try to find out how many times he's sued over car purchases in the past. I'm still surprised that the statute of limitations has not been exceeded. Don't know you, but seem like a straight shooter, so it's a bloody shame you're having to put up with this. Sadly, you can't expect a judge (especially a CA judge) to know boo about cars, so hopefully you can be prepared to clearly refute whatever claims may be made. Best of luck. I hope justice prevails. Let us know what happens.