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Smoke in Engine compartment - Need Help!

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  1. TrojanFan

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    I went to start my 355 this morning and I heard a squealing sound similar to a belt slipping for about 5 - 8 seconds then it changed to a very high pitched tone and smoke started coming from the left side of the engine compartment. The smoke had a burning rubber type smell and seemed to be coming from the area near the left side exhaust manifold shield. Couldn't really tell exactly where. I immediately shut the engine down ant the smoke cleared so no fire. I'm assuming that something was rubbing on something else.

    The last 3 - 4 times I have started the car in the morning I had the same squealing for 5 - 8 seconds and then it went away and the car drove fine. No smoke or burning smell. I had assumed that it was something slipping due to it being cold (in the 40's) as afternoon starts when warmer produced no squealing.

    Before I start tearing into something I know little about, anyone have any suggestions on what I should be looking for?
     
  2. Kaivball

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    My unscientific opinion is that something has seized and the belt is rubbing on it/over it.

    - belt tensioner pully
    - water pump


    Kai
     
  3. yelcab

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    Very bad boy of you not to investigate further.

    Left side of the engine has timing belt for 5-8 bank, and AC compressor.
     
  4. Kaivball

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    Ha, that's right. Maybe the AC compressor seized...

    Kai
     
  5. 2NA

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    This is something to check into NOW! If it's the A/C compressor it's not a real difficult fix. If it's the water pump or timing belt tensioner, the engine comes out.

    This isn't something you can afford to ignore.
     
  6. TrojanFan

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    Not planning to ignore. I'll check on the AC compressor first. Major was done about 18 months ago so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's not the issue.
     
  7. TrojanFan

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    What's the best way to access the AC compressor? Jack up the rear and access from below? I looked but could not find any AC removal threads.First thing I need to do is see if that belt is making the burning and smoke.

    I was having no ac issues prior. Suggestions for checking the AC compressor condition while still on the car? If it is not seized, will it turn by hand with the belt removed?
     
  8. vvassallo

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    I thought that the alternator was on the driver's side and the AC compressor on the passenger's side.
     
  9. tr512

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    Check your p/s belt
     
  10. fatbillybob

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    Party at Peter's house let's take it apart! Sounds like bearing seized then belt friction burning on the pully. Don't start the car any more until it is diagnosed. Some things are engine catastrophic. Some things are simple and cheap like $150 rebuild and a new belt. Get the number of the belt to me or Plugzit because we may have the belt in hand. Also, plugzit might have bearings too.
     
  11. phrogs

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    Get under there and see what belt is burned up.

    If you take off the belt the a compressor clutch should turn freely it's it engaged so it just spins and spins...
     
  12. plugzit

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    Do you start the car with the AC on? If not, it's probably not the ac compressor. Yes, immediate attention is required. As for the recent major, it may or may not have included the tensioner bearing for that belt. I suspect not, and that's (hopefully) the problem, as it's a cheap and relatively easy fix. Also as to the recent major, it's hard to know if a bearing is "about to fail", whether a week, a year, or five years, so if that bearing in the, let's say, alternator, goes bad six months later, then you really can't blame it on a sup-par service. What I'm saying is that just because it had a major service doesn't mean that something can't go wrong later.
    BTW, squealing belts and bearings, even for a second, always requires immediate attention to identify the guilty party. Something is dead.
     
  13. yelcab

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    Ferrari swapped sides from 348 to 355. Must have something to do with the single t belt and double t belt packaging.
     
  14. pnicholasen

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    I suspect if you remove the A/C compressor belt and the alternator belt and give both a good whiff, you'll be able to tell just from that if either are involved in the problem. Hard to mistake the smell of burnt rubber.
     
  15. ernie

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    That sounds like a bad bearing to me. I would not start the car anymore. Check the simple things first, alternator tensioner bearing, a/c pulley. If those check out then it could be an engine out deal to replace the tensioner bearings, idler bearings, and or the water pump.
     
  16. taz355

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    I don't think anyone answered but you could turn them with tools but my opinion is without taking off the belt you won't be able to feel if a bearing is gone or going. Also no buddy mentioned this but if you coolant dripped on a belt it will squeal for a long time.
    I replaced my coolant thermostat and spilled some coolant down onto belt this caused squeeling belt. Possibly a coolant leak?
     
  17. taz355

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    Of course after reading your op again probably should not start smoking from a slipping belt aventually the heat would provide enough friction the pulley should start to turn.
     
  18. TrojanFan

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    No coolant leak or any other leaks that I have noticed. I haven't had the chance to check things out yet. Maybe Saturday.
     
  19. FlyingAces

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    I used to have these squeaks come and go. I forget which belt was the culprit but I know the sound went away when we tighten the tension on the accessory belt. Doesn't mean you don't have a bearing failure, just the issue with mine. Check that **** bro,
     
  20. pnicholasen

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    A loose belt will certainly squeal like a stuck pig, but typically won't generate smoke like he complained about. That's usually a belt being drug across a non moving part thus generating lots o' heat and friction.
     
  21. RS6bird

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    When my car did that, it was a bearing in the gearbox that gave up and caused a part of the casing to break, in turn letting oil out onto a hot engine, provoking smoke. Obviously the initial reaction or thought was water pump/AC, but in the end, it was the gearbox. The result was a damaged central shaft and the decision to substitute the whole gearbox with another one. Now the car runs fine.

    I recall that the squeal in my case was related to speed but not revs, not sure how a water pump or AC bearing failure would react to rpms.

    Good luck and keep us posted.
     
  22. FlyingAces

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    keep us posted
     
  23. taz355

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  24. TrojanFan

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    I haven't had the chance to get under the car yet, but assuming that it is the clutch bearing for the AC Compressor, is that something that can be removed with the compressor still on the car? I'd like to avoid having to mess with the refrigerant if I can avoid it.

    Any suggestions on pulling the clutch? I see in the shop manual it calls for a puller. Can that be done with it on the car?
     
  25. 2NA

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