So was it Pizzonia's fault of Montoya's fault?

Very unusal, as it looked as Monotya was cruising and didn't see Jungle Boy until he was next to him. Looked like a racing incident, but saying that Montoya better take his head out of his ass and start concentrating. These little errors are going to cost McLaren the Constructors Championship, he has now done this in 2 out of 3 races.

 

Are you kidding me? How, in any way, was this Montoya's fault?

If Pizzonia had dry tires on, and was lapping quicker than everyone left on intermediates, shouldn't he be aware of his own braking limits? And this wasn't even for position!

 

Pizza was trying to unlap himself, something he should have done on a straight being that it wasn't for position and Mont. wasn't messing up his race. 100% Pizza's fault. I'm glad him and Sato are being punished for dumb racing, and taking out cars that need the points for the championship. Micheal needs as many as he can to hold on to third while Mont. needs as many as he can to try for the WCC.

Mark

 

They didn't show it on TV, the actual incident, but I have to agree with you after reading some of the Eye Witness reports.

 

I agree that it was Pizzonia's fault, and here is why: At that point, several other drivers had attempted to switch to dry tires, and none of them could control their cars. Most notably was Ralf, who everyone knows I don't care for, however he was having a great run on the intermediates. And when he switched it was a disaster.

Pizzonia's reality: Montoya broke early.

ACTUAL reality: Pizzonia broke too late.

 

Well for Monty's sake he'd better have a 2 year contract cos I can see Ron dumping him

 

Why? He's been fast and in many ways more consistent that Kimi. He had lead most of that race and was in position to get second since there are no team orders in F1 anymore...........

 

Ron would be a fool if he dumped Montoya. He is arguably the best talent in the field.

 

I think JPM was pissed at having to give position to KR. I hope this and last races incindents were not somehow self induced.
JPM; aim for Alonso next time please, practice makes perfect.

 

But realistically, who would be better-suited than JPM? Granted, he's the type of personality around whom "things" tend to occur. That being said, he's what McLaren needs:

Cocky/confident--Team needs that in an environment that is notorious for not coddling its drivers. Especially in a driver who is #2.

Self-driven--Similar in that he doesn't need someone over his shoulder coaxing him all the time.

Talented--Can race with anyone on the grid.

Ron Dennis does not have the luxury this year of looking critically upon his drivers. Had the chassis been in shape the way it should have been at the beginning of the season, then all talk would be about Kimi and Juan battling it out for the championship. If he shines a spotlight on driver performance, it better be large enough to accommodate him as well...

 

JPM has been starting to look great at McLaren and I think they have a great driver line up.

Again (for all that can not comprehend the rules of the sport) if you are lapped you do NOT figure in the race and thus it is 100% up to you not to take out a person still racing, and that ALSO includes attempting to unlap yourself ... cause you are still nearly a whole lap behind.

Also at that time JPM was not leading anyway. Pizza boy is not up to the grade and did not leave enough racing room for a driver who was still in the race.

Technically this accident was worse than Sato's who was actually racing MS (I believe) ... and yet Pizza boy only got a fine WTF????

There are lots of drivers that should be given the boot, and Pizza boy is 2nd on my list ... the top is Monterio.
Pete

 

Pete totally in agreement. Also the guy who thinks that Montoya should be lucky to have a 2 year contract, look back when JPM first went to Williams. RS blew him away in the first half of the season until JPM found his feet, after that JPM blew RS away for the rest of their time together at Williams. JPM is finding his way at McLaren, he is new to the team. i bet next year it will be him and KR fighting it out.

 

Im glad it has happened to JPM....reminds me of some type of pay back of what he did to Shumi in the tunnel last year in Monaco, to ruin his 6 straight win of the year.

 

Shumi did it to himself. How do you brake check someone in a tunnel with limited visiblity? JPM tried everything to avoid him but couldn't. MS should have known better.

 

Pizzonia's punishment for his crash with Juan Montoya was noticeably less severe than Sato's, the Williams driver being fined approximately £4,500.

Presumably, the stewards were able to study pictures of the crash, which occurred when Pizzonia sought to un-lap himself, that were denied to the grand prix's television audience.

 

Ron Dennis has defended 'blameless victim' Juan Pablo Montoya after his accident with Antonio Pizzonia cost McLaren a 1-2 at the Belgian GP.
Pizzonia and Montoya clashed when the Williams driver sought to un-lap himself from behind the McLaren. The two cars collided, sending both off the track and out of the grand prix.

Although Pizzonia claimed that Montoya was at fault for failing to see him, Dennis was adamant that his driver wasn't to blame.

"We had a comfortable, well-judged, disciplined team-oriented race which should have been a comfortable one-two," said Dennis.

"Pizzonia waved Juan Pablo past and at the next corner Pizzonia came straight into the back of him. Juan Pablo was the blameless victim of other people's mistakes.

"It is bitterly disappointing when you do things well and something out of your control happens."

Mercedes boss Norbert Haug also stuck to the party line and defended Montoya.

"Juan Pablo did a brilliant job and didn't put a foot wrong throughout the weekend,” he said. "I feel sorry for him as the accident was not his fault."

 

Thus the inconsistences in the FIA's rulings really have me worried.

We have an idiot taking out a driver running second getting a minor fine and a guy racing for position that does the same thing moved back 10 places on the next grid ???

Makes NO sense!, are we being anti-Honda or are we sncking up to MS or what?

Just sh!ts me ... lets be atleast consistent or do NOT get involved and let them both be just racing incidents.

Man I'd be pissed if I was Sato!
Pete

 

If pizzonia is not racing the next race then what isthe point of giving him a 10 grid penalty?

 

Arh ... then why give such a harsh penalty to Sato?

After all what did he really do wrong other than to have an accident. Last time I looked this is called racing, and he was racing MS.

Pete

 

Piss-on-ya's actions have more far reaching implications than Sato's yet the penalties are so miss-matched.This could cost McClaren the constructors championship AND KR the title. JPM now needs ( more ) therapy, McC needs a new Shaman, and I need a new beer.

 

Thank god someone else see's it that way. I was thinking the samething, Jungle Boy just cost McLaren a shot at the Constructors Championship.

 

well technically, i think it's JPM's fault....he did the same crap in turkey...brakin 2 early and that jordan nudged him..

 

Me three ... the FIA prove themselves idiots again.

Pete

 

Agreed. I think if anyone should be pissed it should be Montoya. IMO he got screwed twice on Sunday. First in having to do the right thing and giving Kimi the lead and then getting taken out of second position by a fourth tier driver.