Interesting how Bonhams describe the 512 s ride as being smoother than the TR. I have never found that with mine. Taughter yes but smoother no. I am taking the the 512 to the classic Ferrari dealer on monday. Whilst looking on his website i was suprised to see how much F335's have gone up. There was also a TR in nero up for £179 K.
Not a bad result considering the amount of corrosion on that car. And it's a RHD car which bring less, except maybe in Australia where they're double, 300k+. BTW, a 512TR sold for about 130k gbp on that same site a few days ago. You started out complaining that the black 512TR on Bat was an outlier, but you're using outliers as well. Production numbers is not a synonym for supply and demand, you can't use those terms interchangeably. Everything affects supply and demand. And artificial demand is created all the time, particularly in today's environment. Curated, which was mentioned previously, never sell just the cars, they sell the story. The classic car market and the F hierarchy have idiosyncrasies. The 246 is priced higher than lower production F's. The 355 with more than 11k produced, is another example. Overall, you might want to define what you mean by "collectable" since you seem to be using it as a synonym for "blue chip cars".
Yeah, now I'm 100% sure this conversation could not be any more pointless, so I will just stop now. I don't really want to explain something several times if it can't be understood. As explained - the title of the thread is clear and my opinion is the same as the market facts. Not really sure what more to say there. After 5 years if something is changed, someone can tell me I was wrong. thank you
just yesterday a testarossa, 1985, has been sold at BaT for 136.000 US $ and it needs new timing belts - and I think much more https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-ferrari-testarossa-23/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2025-05-30
I think you mean F355's, not 335's. I noticed that, too, how 355's have shot up compared to all others, I've even seen asking prices for some 355's to be more than many 430's and a couple 458's, which is nuts. I'm also pretty sure TR's will go up in price, when folks realize how good a flat-12 is compared to some of the mechanical nightmares that F produces (like a 430, 458...)
My 458 has cost almost nothing to maintain for the last 13 years, and has ONLY had one weird problem with the drivers side electric window, requiring a new window regulator. So I certainly can't say it's been a nightmare. About 17,000 miles on it. Been to the dealer every year for service. I don't look at replacing the battery and tires as a nightmare- just the cost of having a car. In the same amount of time and miles in a TR, it would have required TWO engine out services! That's NOT a nightmare either, but just the cost of entry.
Yeah, I should not have said 458, as all that is is a better version of a 430. 458's are good cars, I errd. BUT, if you have an issue with a 458, it's usually more expensive (and complicated) to fix as opposed to a TR.
While my 458 HAS been wonderfully reliable, I DO view it as a ticking time bomb. I have no doubt my Testarossa's will be running well after the 458 will NOT be economically repaired. TOO many computers, too complicated transmission. While the Testarossa MAY have a problematic differential- it's repairable, and it's relatively straight forward. The plethora of mechanically inclined owners doing their own work on TR's is a testament to its user friendliness. When computers CEASE talking to each other at the start up in modern cars- the car owner is up a creek. I've learned don't hop in the car, turn the ignition on and just hit the start button. Take 10 to 20 seconds to let the car get happy- then start. While we may not have Ferraris support on Testarossa's- we don't need it. So many things in new cars need to be downloaded from Ferrari, and they certainly don't give a hoot about older cars. So you're RIGHT!
Once out of warranty the main threat is the $14-16k to rebuild the DCT (or $23-30k for full replacement). Replacing gaskets, hoses and sticky buttons. The rest of the car is pretty solid.
Still very good parts support. And we'll see how the materials in newer Ferrari's age. They look great new, but how they age is another matter.
Correct about the TR being simple to repair. Doesn't have the complicated modern computers and transmission.