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Solution for problem with trying to fill gas in 360

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  1. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

    Sep 18, 2007
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    Like a number of 360 owners, I would like to find a solution to the problem of the having premature shut-off while trying to pump gas.

    I have resorted to holding the gas pump handle upside down. But this is less than satisfactory because fuel often squirts out or leaks.

    It has been suggested that replacing the Fuel Vapor canistor might solve the problem.

    Has anyone done this?
     
  2. concours

    concours Karting

    Jan 10, 2008
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    Richard
    Premature shut off never happens when filling my ['03] 360 and none of the guys I know with 360's have ever complained about this. However it happened frequently with my 328 and after checking around I found that some gas stations seemed to pump slower than others [my local Mobil for one] resulting in no premature shut off. The only other solution was to hold and squeeze the gas pump trigger to slow down the flow while refuelling which solves the early shut off but cramps your hand. Incidentally the "tank full shut off" still works, so no problem with overflow
     
  3. E60 M5

    E60 M5 Moderator
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    Jan 2, 2006
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    Yes, at times I have experienced this as well and I just turn the handle upside down as well. Another solution is just not to squeeze the handle as hard, pump the gas a little slower.
    For me it does not happen all the time and is not that big a pain.
     
  4. C4YES

    C4YES Formula Junior

    Apr 7, 2008
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    Todd
    Tilting the handle upwards, nozzle downward opposite from jst letting it rest in the tube works for me.
     
  5. swilliams

    swilliams Formula 3

    Jun 14, 2006
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    I just push the nozzle all the way in and then out about 1.5 inches. I can go full blast there until its full. I go to the same gas station most of the time so that helps also.
     
  6. Camdon53

    Camdon53 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2006
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    Texas, USA
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    The guys at my dealer diagnosed this and replaced my vapor canister some time ago. The situation was greatly improved although slow fueling is still needed if I want to really top it off. Toping up all the way like that (i.e., filling the air baffles) is pretty much the same in regular cars and may not be a recommended practice.
     
  7. TAFORZA

    TAFORZA Formula Junior

    Jun 5, 2008
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    It is not advisable to fully top off any car. When you do that, raw fuel "not vapor" will end up in the vapor canister and eventually will damage it. You should stop pumping gas when the gas nozzle clicks due to back pressure from the tank being full. Toping off by continuously by making the the gas nozzle "click" several times will damage your EVAP system. New California regulations in the past couple years have mandated different gas pump designs that are more sensitive to shutting off. Try few different gas stations and see if the problem is consistent. There are several different nozzle designs that are approved by the State and one of them might work better if the problem is not related to the car.
     
  8. Dougb450

    Dougb450 Rookie

    Jun 8, 2010
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    Gents,
    My solution is to fill it until the nozzle pops. Then stand around chatting with the attendant for two minutes. This gives the fuel time to transfer to the other tank. Then start pumping gas again. After the second pop, you're done and your tanks will be full without overfilling.

    Doug
    2004 360 Modena F1
     
  9. testdrv321

    testdrv321 Formula Junior

    Oct 31, 2010
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    Long Island, NY
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    Edward Newman
    Don't they have a pill to help with that?

    Seriously, we run into this alot with the trucks we have made with aftermarket bodies. It is usually a kink or other problem with the fuel filler line or the vent line. Have you shop take a peek and see if anything is out of wack. Maybe blow out the vent line too.

    Ed
     
  10. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

    Sep 18, 2007
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    My situation is pretty bad. Unless the handle is upside down at 12 o'clock, it shuts off in 2-3 seconds. Impossible to fill. So I turn the handle upside down and it still pops off but every 20 seconds. Yes if I just barely trickle the gas in things are a little better. But then gas squirts out on my shoes and leaks out on the paint.

    I just ordered the fuel vapor canistor from Ricambi. I hope it will improve the situation.

    Thanks for the feedback.
     
  11. dicin

    dicin Karting

    Sep 6, 2009
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    Nick
    Replaced vapour canister and solved the problem. This fixed my problem. I was also told never continue to fill to the top as the raw fuel in the canister creates the problem in the long term.
     
  12. ttdang123

    ttdang123 Formula Junior

    Nov 28, 2009
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  13. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    #13 TheMayor, Apr 1, 2011
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    This is a real problem in LA. They have special nozzles. When I had my F430 in LA it was hard to fill. In Nevada it's no problem.

    My Maserati is worse if you can believe that. I'm lucky to get it 7/8's full even with the shut off stopping the flow 6 or 7 times.

    Many times I left the station thinking it was completely full only to see the gauge say 3/4.

    Believe it or not try a different pump or service station. I found that some work better than others. They are not 100% identical.
     
  14. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

    Sep 18, 2007
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    Solution found: replace the fuel vapor canister!

    I just had the canister replaced and filled up my gas tank at a station in So Cal without any fuss!

    Should have done this months ago instead of listening to FChatters suggesting holding the nozzle upside down! That is not a Real solution with gas spraying out.
     
  15. ttdang123

    ttdang123 Formula Junior

    Nov 28, 2009
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    MalibuGuy

    Where and what part number did you buy? Thanks
     
  16. rmani

    rmani F1 Veteran
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    twist the pump upside down
     
  17. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    #17 MalibuGuy, Apr 14, 2011
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2011
    Call Ricambi. The canister part varies according to the version of 360. Mention that you are on F-Chat for a little discount too.
     
  18. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

    Sep 18, 2007
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    Replacement of the fuel vapor canister is the proper solution.
     
  19. Black360

    Black360 Formula Junior

    Oct 11, 2010
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    Did you replace the entire canister, or just the fuel vapor filter?
     
  20. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

    Sep 18, 2007
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    The part I replaced is called the fuel vapor cannister and is a black plastic part about the size of a sboe box.
     
  21. vm3

    vm3 Formula Junior

    Apr 12, 2007
    728
    California
    My 360, CS, and 458 all have this problem in California.

    Two solutions:
    1. Pull back the accordion seal slightly and hold it there until filling is done.
    2. Cut a 0.5" section of a 2.0" plastic pipe and insert the gas nozzle through it. This keeps the accordion back to let the gas fill.

    Works great for me.
     
  22. colorinc

    colorinc Karting

    Nov 8, 2010
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    Austin TX
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    confirmed ...if its a pain in the butt to fill your 360 with fuel (constantly clicking off upon fill up) replace the charcoal vapor canister ... fixed all my slow fill woes
     
  23. BSU

    BSU Formula 3

    Mar 30, 2008
    1,012
    TX
    I can get to 7/8 no problem. No real need to top it off.
     
  24. hairman

    hairman Karting

    Nov 25, 2013
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    south jersey
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    Dino
    i took the charcoal canister hose off and used a piece of stiff yet pliable wire and pushed it in and out in the canister where i removed the hose. it broke up the charcoal and i can get a full top up when the pump clicks off. I do not use the full speed fill on the nozzle ,i cut it back a bit. that depends if the pump is mad fast.
    worked for me
     
  25. hessank

    hessank Formula 3
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    Aug 8, 2005
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    I have the same problem and I believed that it was the design of the filler pipe that created a backpressure (splashback within the fill pipe) thereby shutting off the pump.

    My solution was to pump the gas slowly and I don't have that problem anymore.
     

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