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Some brotherhood help needed - 348 noise

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  1. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    Bristol, England
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    James
    Hi folks, I'm feeling good because my 348 brotherhood T-shirt arrived all the way from the US yesterday!!! I'm feeling bad because I've had a run of bad issues with the old girl and I still have issues....

    So, she went in for its interim service in Jan. I knew the cam seals were weeping so I asked them to take a look. They were so bad, they recommended sorting it (with engine out). This is the 2nd time the engine has been out in 12 months. Anyhow, I bit the bullet and asked them while they were at it to complete a full belt change (again). I also knew the rear wheel bearing (drivers side) needed doing as there was play and a rumbling noise. Anyhow, I was in no rush as the weather has been bad so they took their time. Car came back in March and there were some issues - poor running, hesitation and cutting out - also major loss of power before it cut out. I didn't panic and did the relearn process by unplugging the battery and letting it idle for a 15 minutes. Anyway the power loss issue and rough running seemed ok. BUT on turning hard left, there is a grinding noise - sounds pretty bad. So it went back to the specialist and they have had it for another month. Trouble is they cant get it to do it and they cannot find any issues. I collected it on Friday and its still doing it. So I'm coming to the brotherhood to see if anyone knows what it is. Here is a link to the video. The grinding noise can be heard at 7-8 seconds, 15-16 seconds and 20-21 seconds. It happens when turning hard left....

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PBP_Qr7tU]YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. Kaivball

    Kaivball Three Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jan 11, 2007
    35,997
    Kalifornia
    How is it that you can get the grinding noise but your mechanic cannot replicate it?

    Maybe you need a new mechanic???

    Sounds like you car can back with more problems than it went in for...


    Kai
     
  3. Ajax de 1e

    Ajax de 1e Formula Junior

    Feb 21, 2014
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    Steef
    Cannot see the vid.....it seems to be private? NOW I'm curious!
     
  4. johnk...

    johnk... F1 World Champ
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    Why didn't you just go for a test drive with the mechanic and show him the noise?????
     
  5. lbell101

    lbell101 Karting

    Mar 24, 2013
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    Larry
    Look to see if the back of the rotor is rubbing against the hub. That would be on the outboard side of the boss where the caliper is mounted. One of the suggested rear wheel bearing replacements suggested on some websites is 4mm too narrow. This allows the spindle to possibly slide and brings the rotor in contact with the hub. This happened on mine. Kind of a stab in the dark but maybe?

    Larry
     
  6. 348Jeff

    348Jeff Formula 3

    Oct 25, 2011
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    Cant see video either :-(

    BTW Just check the tightness of the wheel nuts just in case!

    Have you still got the rough running issues or not? Not sure from your post
     
  7. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    Fair point, but it didn't do it at all at the place when I picked it up until I got onto the motorway and got stuck in bank holiday traffic. I had to get back home in time for family stuff so couldn't go back again.
     
  8. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    Apologies on the vid - should now be fixed!

    Wheel nuts tight, all looks good - everything in place. On the rough running it seems to idle ok, but I haven't really had a proper drive since the ecu reset because I'm concerned about this noise and want to identify what it is before I drive it any further.
     
  9. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    James
    Thanks - I'll take a look and see if that could be the issue.
     
  10. 348Jeff

    348Jeff Formula 3

    Oct 25, 2011
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    Can see vid but cant really hear much TBH! :-(

    Have you tried jacking the car up so both rear wheels are off the ground and rotating the wheels round by hand etc to see if you can feel/here anything.

    Hows your handbrake? Does that feel normal? No binding etc
     
  11. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    Handbrake good Jeff.

    Had wheels off ground, can't her anything, but under no real load driving in a straight line it's fine, it only makes the noise when you load up the offside rear by turning sharp left. With the wheels off the ground, I can't replicate the load during a left turn...

    Very odd and hard to diagnose.
     
  12. CLIVE77

    CLIVE77 Karting

    Sep 10, 2010
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    James

    These problems are a real bugger to diagnose. I'd give Tim Bate at Emblem Sportscars in Poole a call (01202 722247). I bet he's come across this before. He always sorted out my car and he's only 70 miles from you if you need to take him the car.
     
  13. emailben

    emailben Karting

    Feb 10, 2012
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    San Jose, CA
    Check your handbrake while the car is jacked up, off the ground. Try rotate the wheels, does your handbrake lock up both rear wheels when engaged?

    Check both rotor brake shoes and disk brake pads, check for cracked/broken brake pads/shoes.
     
  14. Pangea

    Pangea Formula Junior

    Mar 27, 2011
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    Cant really make out the noise from vid but I had a similar issue when turning left. It was a sort of rumbling/ resonance type of sound and it turned out to be the wheel arch liners resonating against each other. They were fitted correctly but still made a noise. Did some insulating with double sided tape and its all good now. Mechanic would have had them out for the work you've had done so its worth a look. To check I removed them and drove the car and the noise had gone. Took me a while to trace it though. At first I thought the worst like diff, transmission etc as it sounded mechanical. Very odd noise.
     
  15. dapper

    dapper Formula Junior

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    #15 dapper, Apr 21, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2014
    James,

    Did you get it sorted? I've been out for the weekend so only just read this. Struggle to hear much untoward on the video but if you want to swing by one evening I'd be happy to take a listen (I'm portishead). PM me if you are still trying to get to grips with what it might be.
     
  16. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

    Oct 5, 2011
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    Some good advice thanks guys. Dave I may very we'll take you up on your offer sir - troubleshooting on your own without someone to confirm things/thoughts can be difficult when trying to find the root cause of an issue!
     
  17. Wade

    Wade Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Any updates? A fix maybe?
     
  18. Rs200tez

    Rs200tez Karting

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    #18 Rs200tez, Jun 30, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2014
    Not much of an update I'm afraid. Troubleshooting is difficult, the noise only happens under load turning left on full lock. Identifying where the noise is coming from is impossible. On the ramp everything looks fine, run the car with rear wheels in the air - no noise at all. One cv boot looked like it had leaked at some point so we agreed (mechanic and me) that they would get the axle out and replace the cv boots and check for wear.

    No wear found, CV boots replaced, noise still there :-( .

    Really beginning to get depressed, summer is passing by - I had the 2nd major done in 2 years in January due to leaking cam seals (they were replaced in Jan 2013 as part of a major service but started leaking in December 2013).
    She is now waiting to go back in the workshop.

    Like most, I don't have endless funds and it feels like I'm just systematically replacing everything on this car! At least I'm taking every opportunity to use Hills components! The 348 is my dream ferrari - before I managed to save up for it, if I had won the lottery, the first car I would have purchased would be a 348..had a photo of one above my bed when growing up.

    Hopefully, I have just been unlucky...
     
  19. 348Jeff

    348Jeff Formula 3

    Oct 25, 2011
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    Assuming its at the back I'd jack it up and try and move the wheel with your hands through various planes, use a largish piece of wood to lever the wheel up and down etc etc You need to try and simulate the movement that is causing the noise.

    Id also fetch the brake hub off and check out the shoes are ok/held in properly - worn handbrake shoes can cause a nasty noise like that.
     
  20. vdettore

    vdettore Formula Junior

    Mar 3, 2017
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    I’m curious,

    Did you ever find what was causing the low pitched noise when turning sharp left?

    I’m getting the same thing under 10 mph. I may try removing the wheel wells as posted above to see if they are vibrating/resonating.


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