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Some questions and observations

Discussion in 'F1' started by IamRobG, Oct 14, 2013.

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  1. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

    Jun 18, 2007
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    Question-Who decides the placement of the teams in pit lane?

    Observation-I notice that at every race red bull is the last pit closest to the exit. Wouldn't that be beneficial to RBR? Less cool down time running through pit lane keeps the tires nice and warm as they fly out of the pits into the first turn. I would imagine that could be worth a tenth or 2.

    Observation-RBR is absolutely fantastic in their pits. Consistent 2.5-2.7 while everyone else is 2.7-3.0. This plus pit placement could prove to be a huge advantage. Even if they stayed exactly on pace with any other car, they would gain .3-.5 seconds every pit.

    Question/Observation-Not that it mattered because the field was so far back anyway, but did it look like Ricciardo was slowing the pack down on purpose and refusing to pit?

    Observation-Why does Rosberg insist on trying to compete with the front? He fell off 2-3 seconds a lap again and held the field up again.
     
  2. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I believe pit assignments are based of team placing on the prior year's championship.
     
  3. Blue@Heart

    Blue@Heart F1 Rookie

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    This, the teams are placed in order on the pit lane starting from the end by their place in the previous years championships. It's also how the car numbers are given out, 1 and 2 to first, etc.
     
  4. 308luver

    308luver Formula Junior

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    At singapore they were one of the first pit stalls.
     
  5. Tomax

    Tomax Karting

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    The fastest pit-stop is the one RedBull are using. This is a perk of being World Champion. As you saw in the race, being at the end avoids problems with unsafe release, and also assists in keeping tyres warm, it is the shortest distance to getting on with the race-pace which the tyres need.

    For some of your other questions, I mean this in the best possible way - please head to a general Formula One website and read up on some of the post-race analytics. A lot of the things you are asking are better explained there with charts and graphs, along with the radio transcripts.

    After a solid grounding in the pros-and-cons of placement, tyre-strategies etc. it opens up another level of appreciation for the sport, sometimes needed on the tracks where passing is minimal. Be weary of any conversation that takes place here talking about how Pirelli and DRS have wrecked racing. Simply find a complete race re-broadcast from YouTube across any given era. F1 can have its moments from generation to generation - but a lack of passing was something perfected many, many seasons ago.

    It's not the passing that makes F1 dramatic. It's the drama that makes it dramatic.


    Try f1fanatic.co.uk
     
  6. rotaryrocket7

    rotaryrocket7 Formula Junior

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    It's their choice based on how they finished the prior season, Red Bull can elect any pit they choose, which then you're correct, it can be a slight advantage. Wanna be the best, gotta beat the best.
     
  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    He didn't do it on purpose: He was on a different strategy. He kept others behind for as long as possible. If they can't find a way passed it's their loss.
    ???

    He's a racing driver, he wants to drive as fast as he can. Are you suggesting he should qualify 14th every race?
     
  8. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    How do you know he didn't do it on purpose for his future team? Were we watching the same race?

    I'm not a Vettel hater or fan. I enjoy racing on all levels and how he places in F1 doesn't affect my life in any way.

    I'm suggesting that when you fall off 2-3 seconds a lap AGAIN, you move your ass out of the way and stop holding up the field or blocking. You're going to get passed anyway and you're ruining the race when you're not even in contention to begin with.
     
  9. NWaterfall

    NWaterfall Formula Junior

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    Really? By that logic why should any team but RedBull or Lotus take to the grid? I mean they don't have a chance anyway so why potentially hold up a faster car??

    So not the spirit of sport
     
  10. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The winning Constructor gets to choose either the first pit or the last pit, and the rest just follows.

    IIRC, MS always chosed the first one. Not sure if there's any advantage to it though.
     
  11. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I think you simply fail to understand the point of racing.

    It's not the first time a driver on a completely different strategy has held up others. Holding the rest up can actually work in their favour you know.

    You're suggesting that simply everyone that isn't competing for the top 3 spots should just stop and hit the bar. Entertaining thought but not the spirit of racing.
     
  12. IamRobG

    IamRobG F1 Rookie

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    Point of racing I 100% agree with you. Fight for the top, finish the best you can. The condescending inputs aren't necessary when someone is venting their frustration in what has now become a game of follow the leader instead of a competition and when you see someone holding up some of the would be competitors simply because they can't keep pace. The racing would be more interesting to watch if all the top drivers and cars were battling for the lead, but that's just not the case.

    Realistically, everyone isn't competing for the top 3 spots and to think otherwise is just ignorant. You have 4-5 drivers in 2-3 different teams competing for top spots when the season starts. At this point in the game, there is only 1 leader and now its a fight for 2nd. Everyone else are just grid fillers.
     
  13. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If you're only concerned with this year's championship perhaps, but all the drivers have other legitimate goals.
    Often much of the best racing is for hind tit.
     
  14. zippyslug31

    zippyslug31 Formula 3

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    VIZSLA...

    Question: In your responses to the latest/last post in a thread, why do you always quote?
    Observation: All the repeated text makes for unnecessarily long threads.

    Sorry to nitpick or single you out, but you might want to give it some thought... especially when your reply is shorter than the quote you are showing.
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  15. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Context.

    I agree that extended quotes can be tiring but if the alternative is a response in need of a reference I'll burn the pixels.
     

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