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Some questions to do with Diablo

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  1. G-man-

    G-man- Karting

    Apr 9, 2011
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    Hello

    As much as I love the look of a Lamborghini Diablo, I keep hearing how the car is just designed bad in terms of performance.

    1: Can a Lamborghini Diablo (SV) be made lighter with carbon fibr/fibreglass body or is this where I should simply buy a Diablo GT ?

    2: Can the Lamborghini diablo GT be improved, make the gearbox better, make it corner propperly and brake propperly?

    I mean, Im looking at pretty high performance... something like a porsche GT Carerra which is only .9 seconds slower around a track than an Enzo Ferrari. Lamborghinis are sitting around the 25-26 second mark.

    So can anything be done? I ask because the Diabloto me is the best looking car ever made, and I would like that to handle like a supercar (mclaren F1, Enzo, etc) if it can be done.
     
  2. Downdraft1

    Downdraft1 Formula Junior

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    it may be cheaper to invest in a good driving school ......
     
  3. roytoy2003

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    What ever..............
     
  4. Night life

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    Seriously unless you are going to take it on track events like Nürburgring raceway it's not worth all your troubles you will be creating for yourself. Hell for all the extra costs involved by yourself a Murcie SV and be done with it.


    The specs are not that far off

    Enzo 3.6 0-60 top speed 217mph
    Diablo 3.9 0-60 top speed 208mph
     
  5. EMILIO

    EMILIO F1 Veteran

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    i have the solution:
    buy any diablo you like for the road and a real race car or something like a Westfield, Atom, etc... for the track!!

    you will have the best of both worlds (AND A LOT OF $$$ left in your pockets ;) )
     
  6. ralfabco

    ralfabco Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Buy a fiberglass kit, and use an aftermarket chassis and supercharged LS-7, with excellent Brembo carbon brakes.


    You are ready to go !
     
  7. SimonSays

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    Except for the brakes and the size of the driver's balls, there's nothing wrong with the Diablo, performance wise... At least not with mine :D
     
  8. Five

    Five Formula Junior

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    #8 Five, Apr 29, 2011
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    If you want a car for the track, I'd suggest something else. The Diablo isn't a track car or a car to do 0-60s in, it was really build for top speed more than anything else. It was not "designed bad in terms of performance", it just isn't a car you'd do those things in.
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  9. SimonSays

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    Well it did compete for some time in various races, so it can do track work, but you'll have to invest in some upgrades to do so... Or just get an SV-R right from the start ;)
     
  10. vaholtorf

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    Sorry, as many have already told you this, but I can't resist......... If you want a track car, GET A TRACK CAR! I have been through this......I went for many years tracking expensive exotics including Lotus Esprits, an LP400, Diablo, all types of Porsches, many Ferraris, etc. Then I finally WOKE up and realized that these exotics are very expensive to run hard....the wear and tear, maintenance, replacement parts are very, very expensive, and any type of accident carried huge repair costs. I woke up! I realized that the pretty much the slowest race car is faster than the fastest street car. So I bought a Formula Mazda (FM). An FM is inexpensive to run, safer to crash than any street car, and faster around any road coarse in the USA (as measured in lap times, not top speed achieved, as lap times are all that matters on a race track) than a Carrera GT, McLaren F1, Enzo, Veyron, or any exotic money can buy. There you have your answer. Same your money and preserve the exotics for what they were made for, and get faster lap times with an FM (or most any other single seater formula car), then you will get in an F40, Enzo, or any other exotic car street car. Period.
     
  11. Speed Demon 1

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    ++1!
     
  12. vaholtorf

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    Here is some evidence from Laguna Seca Lap Times:

    Notice that the fastest street car on this list is about 30 seconds a lap slower than the fastest car, the Champ car! And ten seconds a lap (an eternity on a race course) than the inexpensive FM!

    Don't try to make something into what it is not. None of the cars your referred to are race cars...not the Carrera GT, not the Enzo, etc. They are NOT race cars and are slow on a track compared to real, and even inexpensive, race cars. The FM costs less than the carbon ceramic brake option on most exotics, and outruns them all by far on a race track because that is what it is...a race car. And I don't consider the street cars tarted up into race cars in order to help market and sell more street cars (like the ALMS Porsches and Ferraris, etc.) , to be real race cars either as they started life as street cars and were modded up. Something that starts life with a clean sheet of paper as a race car, is what you want to buy if you really are serious about going fast on a race track.

    2007 Panoz DP01 Champ Car (Sebastien Bourdais) 1:05.880
    2006 Toyota Formula 1 Car 1:06.309
    Audi R10 1:08.268
    500hp ALMS P2 Porsche RS Spyder 1:14.030
    Zytek 04S 1:14.185
    Lola EX257/AER 1:14.906
    520hp A1GP Lola-Zytek 1:15.189
    Audi R8 LMP 1:15.392
    2008 Atlantic Championship Swift 016.a 1:15.447
    Chevrolet Corvette C6-R 1:17.285
    Formula Mazda Pro Star Mazda pole in 2006 1:20.1
    250hp Honda MotoGP Bike 1:22.843
    480hp ALMS GT2 Ferrari F430 GT 1:23.611
    Formula 1000 Storh F1000 1:24.664
    Formula Mazda 1:25.069
    Porsche 911 GT3 RSR 1:25.406
    Formula Ford Vestal 09F 1:26.178
    C Sports Racer race record, Michael Vergers, Radical, 08/03/2002 1:27.673
    D Sports Racer race record, Bruce Sunseri, Cheetah SR1, 07/16/2000 1:28.250
    K-PAX Volvo S60R - Global Tuner Grand Prix 2010 1:28.517
    Formula 500 Ellis AE06 1:29.427
    2010 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR 1:33.915
    Corvette ZR1 1:35.8
    Porsche 911 GT3 2006 1:39.517
    Formula Vee Citation XTC 41 1:39.285
    Nissan GT-R 1:39.62
    Porsche 911 Turbo 997 1:39.89
    Audi R8 1:40.75
    BMW M3 7spd 1:42.96
    Porsche Cayman S PDK 1:43.0
    Porsche 911 Carrera S 997 2008 1:45.0
    Camaro SS 2010 1:45.7
    Spec Miata 1:46.689
    Spec Racer Ford 1:43.317
    Porsche 993 Modified street car 1:41.3
    BMW 335i Coupe 1:49.038
    VW GTI 337, all stock 1:59.0
     
  13. 2NA

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    What he said!
     
  14. G-man-

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    #14 G-man-, Apr 30, 2011
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    Enzo, Veyron etc, are 'street cars' and not 'race cars'.

    What kinda road were they designed to be driven on as 'street cars'?

    The exotics look like they can go 400km/h, they look like nothing will outrun them, they are so aero dynamic and so low to the ground and so expensive.... i mean there supercars... they SHOULD do it all.

    I understand the race car thing though. Real race cars can handle like 3G on a skid pad. Way more than exotics, I know...

    For me, Im not the sort that will make racing a habit or something I do regular... I just want when I do go to race it, that the thing absolutelly destroys everything in the corners and I can go cruise back home in a HOT exotic car that when I drop my foot on it will pull 0-100km/h (0-60mph) in 3.0 seconds and hit a quarter in under 11 seconds cause its a 700HP car.

    Do I want some 'real race car' thing? No. I only want the one car next to my daily car, I just want that particular car to kick butt.

    If the bottom line is "Buy the look of the car"

    Fine - Diablo GT. Sorted.

    I wouldnt mind its handling/gearbox shifting/brakes to be upgraded though. I heard its gearbox isnt the easiest thing to work with, so lets put some $ towards making that a smoother/more operatable thing. Drop 700hp in it. Make it 3000lbs.

    That would honestly do me.

    Something that shifts beautiful, nice and light, with 700hp in 3000lbs car... more than fun enough in straight line and at a track... Im sure will handle pretty good for a fun day out and being a Lamborghini says everything it needs to say in terms of name/image and it looks absolutelly hot, lift those doors up and WOW.

    Btw- I love that silver lamborghini posted... anymore pictures of it?
     
  15. BULL RUN

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  17. patpong

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    May be that's what the Diablo GT is for.... I love the Diablo the way it is though,... big, huge, loud, massive, raw. Of course, other supercars faster, more maneuverable... I am so glad that all cars have their own characters and drive differently... more fun that way...
     
  18. effer

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    They SHOULD but it is not the case. Compared to the average street car they outrageously outperform them, hence the Supercar label, but it implies that we make this comparison with street cars, and I should add also with not so much modded/tuned street cars! You just cannot be sure that you will not be destroyed by a insanely modded Civic ( that will certainly explode later at a certain time but ... ), even if you were behind the steering wheel of a mighty race prepared Mc Laren F1 LM !!!

    The only street legal car that that might does it all, that benefits of true aerodynamical down force is the incredible

    Caparo T1

    but I would not expect miracles on its ease of use on a daily basis ... and exploiting only 7/10 out of it will require you to take driving lessons AND a lot of seat time ...


    You cannot control which cars will race against you so you will not be able to destroy everything.

    But if you are a very competent driver and you show up at the track with a Caparo T1, you will approach your ideal!

    OTOH, if racing is not an habit for you, chances are that there will be a guy on the track which racing is, and worse, this guy might have a serious track car ...

    We all have dreams, on my side I'd take half immortality ...




    If you want to stick with Lamborghini, you should give a try to a modded 1200 hp Turbo Gallardo Superleggera ... but infortunately, with this latter model, as would say Sir Shamile, no panties down!

    Check Zahir Rana website. ZR Auto.


    What is your budget?

    How would you rate your driving skills? Do you have experience with real aerodynamical downforce added to huge mechanical grip?


    Good luck!
     
  19. Shamile

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    #19 Shamile, Apr 30, 2011
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    Dear Lamborghinisti,

    ...and having to explain everywhere you go....yes, it is a Lamborghini....yes, I know the doors don't go up.... :D


    OK, I answer your question.....

    You are looking at a Diablo TODAY...a car that was first built 20 years ago. ( haha..older than alot of the girls I know :D ) 20 years ago, it had the most insane performance possible. It was compared to the F 40...a near race car....not even the Testarossa of which it was designed to compete against.

    Yes, the looks of the car are perfect...they just got it right...it's the quintessential exotic...of which all are measured and fall short.

    But....time and technology marches on. Today 700hp is normal. Back then, you could get it...but how long would your engine will last...??

    If you want a Diablo...buy one. Spend money at one of the tuners like Heffners Performance and they can set you up with a twin turbo system. I'm sure they can do your suspension, brakes and wheels/ tires to the most up-to-date level of performance.

    Will it cost?? Sure....but that's not what you asked. You want a Diablo with modern performance....anything can be done...how much do you want to spend?

    The reason you're not really being taken seriously is that you're coming onto a Lamborghini forum...which is a very small community and asking about buying a SVR or a DGT....which are NOT street legal.

    You have to earn some street cred first.....


    Shamile

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  20. Champboat/Champcar

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    There is nothing wrong with the Diablo gearbox, it shifts perfectly, you can shift it in a blink of the eye, + it has enough power to pull any gear if its close to the gear you should be in for a particular turn or curve, .
     
  21. Downdraft1

    Downdraft1 Formula Junior

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    I know of a short ratio SV-R gearbox if intersted - brand new but not cheap - PM if interested
     
  22. G-man-

    G-man- Karting

    Apr 9, 2011
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    thanks for the replies.

    Im just wanting to learn to know what to expect and what not to expect getting into a car like this.

    Basically, I own a 1968 Dodge Charger, complete original with all service history and everything, never rusted out, still has all original boot floor (trunk), floor pans etc.

    Im actually selling this car because I realised if I was to build it to 'handle' I would have to destroy the originality of it completelly (new tube chasis, new hemi motor, new 6 speed gearbox, new coil over setup etc)

    Probbably cost 200 000 or so to do... and according to what you said, Mazda F1 and other cars... the charger would still be crap around a circuit compare to 'race cars'.

    But going and understanding what you guys are saying, even a Veyron worth 2 milion dollars is crap around a race track compare to cheap 'race cars'.

    So that then to me is saying... the current 68 Charger or the Diablo (or anything else exotic for that matter), are not baught to be 'raced' with in that context (as a much cheaper costing race car will run circles around these cars)... so really the only thing these cars are going to be used for is

    A: the experience of the drive
    B: Planting your foot on it and seeing how fast it goes in a straight line

    Soon you talk about handling (have a race car on the side for this)...

    So end of the day that would mean is,

    A: I can keep the dodge, stick 750hp in it without trouble with an 8.6L engine... it will be extremelly quick in a straight line, still have back seats, still have a boot where to carry things with. And when I want to have handling, I have a race car I can take to the track which will run circles around a Veryon.

    B: Buy the Diablo if that looks better to me than the muscle car, it feels like a race car inside it, stick 700hp in that car, perhaps be quicker than the charger cause its lighter (even though probbably has 300ft/lbs of torque less cause its not 8.6 Litres in size) has a completelly different driving experience than a muscle car and when I want to go race... I leave the Diablo home and get in the 'race car' and take that to the track.

    So conclusion to me is from all info gathered.

    Go for the car I like the look of most... make it fast in a straight line, and when Corners become a concern, get in a race car to get the ultimate experience there.

    Whether that means keep the Charger and stick an 8.6Litre enine in that or whether that means I still would prefer the Diablo though 'racing' is not even in the equation anymore.

    I say this because that means spending 200k on the charger to handle is a waste of money cause I coulda got a race car for a lot less that would run circles around anything.

    So thats it, either Faster Charger or Fast Diablo - what do I like the look of most, go with that and have a race car on the side for serious cornering if I find myself doing it often enough.

    No point buying a Lambo or any exotic car to replace the Muscle car if its about handling cause they dont handle that good either compare to race cars. So ultimately its about buying the 'look' of car I should be looking at, not hadling/track numbers.


    Thats pretty much what I got out of everything.
     
  23. vaholtorf

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    I think you got it. Good job, Grasshopper!!!!

    Ask Shamile.....his two daily drivers are what he loves to drive, what he like so be seen in, what he like to pick up chicks in, and what he generally knows looks great to/for/with him. Kind of like the reason we buy real nice and expensive clothes or watches..... Some may feel better, or cooler, or whatever in a Charger, or Shelby Mustang, or (insert your favorite car here). And the you can have fun on the street by accelerating, lighting up your tires in your Charger around a turn, doing a donut, or whatever.......just have fun! And for serious speed (and not just cornering; a FM accelerates to 60 in less than 3 seconds, and brakes better than any street car), get a race car. For FUN! Get in your street machine and have fun because you can take a passenger, a chick, or get an impromptu group together for a fun drive on short notice. That is fun, and there are hundreds of cars that can provide this without all the planning, scheduling, and all that goes with prepping and running a race car. What is fun is purely subjective, and I know I can have more fun than the law allows with a bone stock 68 charger with a 383..... Get the street machine for fun! And a race car for serious driving, which sometimes isn't really fun, but rather, a serious, committed experience. Amd the Diablo, or any newer Lambo for that matter, adds a new element of fun....(kind of the same feeling as having a nuclear weapon), you know that you can go over 200mph, and you never will, but just knowing you can is a lot of fun too.
     
  24. G-man-

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    Thanks.
    Im married so I dont need the car for picking up ladies. I just want a car that will go 0-100faster than lightning and look good doing it.

    Me thinks the Diablo is the way to go.
     
  25. Shamile

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    Dear Lamborghinisti,

    Whow.....you're comparing an American muscle car to a Lamborghini Diablo??

    There is absolutely NO comparison. The muscle car was just a standard production product with a big engine....that's it. The Lamborghini is a hand built exotic with only Ferrari in it's league.

    Have you ever owned a Ferrari or Lamborghini?? If not, you need to drive one....any one...even a lowly 308 GTSI. Even the "feel" of a 308 will blow away any domestic vehicle...even any Porsche.

    You just can't use a Dodge Challenger as a frame of reference. I'm not being "smart" but there is absolutely nothing in common....nothing!!


    Shamile

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