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Somewhat OT - Breadvan Bodied Iso

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  1. jjmcd

    jjmcd Formula Junior

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    Registration: NA
    Chassis Number: IR460368
    Engine Number: Not Specified
    Number of cylinders: 8
    CC: 5700
    Year of Manufacture: 1965

    Estimate (£): 55,000 - 75,000

    In 1962 Giotto Bizzarrini was hired by Count Giovanni Volpi, owner of Scuderia Serenissima, to uprate a Ferrari 250 GT SWB to GTO Specification. Ferrari had refused to sell Volpi a GTO. At the time, several Ferrari 250 GT SWB cars were developed by Bizzarrini, Drogo, Neri and Bonacini, some to GTO specification, and all had distinctive bodies with similar shapes.

    Bizzarrini applied all the ideas from the GTO and developed, with Piero Drogo of Carrozzeria Sports Cars in Modena, an aerodynamically advanced body, even lower than the GTO with the roof line dramatically extended to the rear end, then abruptly truncated following the Kamm aerodynamic theory. The car was completed in just 14 days and chassis number #2819GT, known as the Ferrari Breadvan, is still raced in vintage sports car events today.

    At least another two 250 GT series cars were developed by Bizzarrini, Piero Drogo, and team-mates Neri and Bonacini to GTO specification and received distinctive bodies with similar advanced shapes.

    This car is based on the chassis and running gear of an Iso Rivolta. It is believed to have been built in 1965 using an alloy body reputedly designed and made by Drogo in the classic Breadvan shape. Fitted with a 450bhp V8 Chevrolet engine and set up for competition use, this Iso would be extremely competitive in historic racing.

    Over the years the car has been predominantly used in Italian hill climb events and in small regional races. When discovered by the last owner, the engine was rebuilt and the car restored. It was then used on the Tour Britannia and other rallies in Europe. Recently brought back from Pisa, the vendor reports that: "the car is mechanically in excellent condition, starts easily, is tremendously powerful and sounds amazing!" Supplied with EU registration papers, this all aluminium bodied Iso is a fine testament to the Ferrari Breadvan and could even house a Ferrari engine and running gear, if a suitable 250 donor could be found.

    http://bringatrailer.com/2012/07/02/the-other-breadvan-1965-iso-rivolta-race-car/

    http://www.silverstoneauctions.com/1965-iso-rivolta-breadvan-

    http://classic-cars-talks.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/1961-250gt-swb-sn-2819-gt-aka-breadvan.html
     
  2. 246tasman

    246tasman Formula 3

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    "This car is based on the chassis and running gear of an Iso Rivolta. It is believed to have been built in 1965 using an alloy body reputedly designed and made by Drogo in the classic Breadvan shape."

    More like 1995 I suspect.........If not it would be great to see some period photos/history.
     
  3. miurasv

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  4. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

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    #4 velocetwo, Jul 3, 2012
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    Factory shows chassis being built March 11 1964 sold as a standard Rivolta GT to owner in France with 340 HP engine 4 speed 3.31 rear end with Borrani's. At some point it was imported into the US, the Rivolta GT was listed by Golden classics.com in 2005

    There was also Nembo rebody on chassis 587 in 06

    666 was also a rebody no info

    Iso GT doors trunk for sale on Ebay in 2010 Belgium
     
  5. davidedegiorgi

    Jun 27, 2012
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    Hi Miurasv

    Mark Sonnery in his book "Rebel Rebel" traces down the story of s/n 2819 GT with interviews of many people related to the car. The point of the car not being a Drogo but a Neri&Bonacini is well stated by Count volpi himself and also from someone at N&B. I can't remember who it was from the top of my head, but let me know if you want me to post part of that interview in here.

    Being the car built in a very short time it is possible that in their extra time someone from Drogo came to give a hand in late hours but this can be considered not more than a speculation.

    I read the book some time ago but I'll be happy to go get the exact parts if you are interested.

    I really recommend the book thou, it's fantastic. Only first hand stories, it doesnt' get better than that.

    davide
     
  6. iwanna860monza

    iwanna860monza Karting

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    This car is based on the chassis and running gear of an Iso Rivolta. It is believed to have been built in 1965 using an alloy body reputedly designed and made by Drogo in the classic Breadvan shape. Fitted with a 450bhp V8 Chevrolet engine and set up for competition use, this Iso would be extremely competitive in historic racing.



    I personally find the comment "Believed to" in advertising to be a big red flag, for example I have a metal chair that I believe to be made from the metal from the first 250TR ............... Yeah Right.
     
  7. miurasv

    miurasv F1 World Champ

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    Thank you very much for your reply, Davide. There seems to be much confusion on who designed what regarding the Nembo, Drogo and Prototype cars. The Breadvan looks so much like other Drogo?? designs, 250 GT SWB c/n 2735GT in particular when wearing the rebody, apart from the tail of course. The 250 GT Nembo Spyder 1777GT by Tom Meade?? looks very much like how a Spyder 64 GTO (Pininfarina) would look. Or is that what Tom Meade is credited for, just the conversion to Spyder shape?
     
  8. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

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    LOL The confusion is because Bizzarrini was involved. A quick fix design based on function over form.
     
  9. f308jack

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    This is all very confusing.

    In essence, what is being said is that there is no proven hostory for this car? No period photo's? Did its' relative fame just emerge in the last few years because of the shape?

    Also, wasn't the production Iso built with pressed box-section0type chassis, but more like a monocoque? How did they retain the structural integrity if clad in a light alloy body?

    Just shooting from the hip, as I really like this car somehow:)
     
  10. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

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    I agree with all your statements

    My guess is that this car was built similar to how a Iso A3C or Bizzarrini Strada is built.


    It is similar to how a XKE is built, you retain the center section of the car firewall back to rear axle. Then you use tubular frames front and back. The boxed center section is very stiff and with a four point roll bar welded inside it's very stiff.
     
  11. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    So, it's basically some sort of a replica of something that never existed in the first place?

    I wonder what it'll bring: It wouldn't be easy to repeat at the estimates. Now if one could obtain FIA papers for it, it'd be the jewel of someone's collection (unfortunately not mine)
     
  12. DenisC

    DenisC Formula 3

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