Soon to be on Copart.... F50

They do not tell you what it sold for unless you watch it live.

 

With the latest advances in carbon fiber manufacturing I'll bet it's a heck of a lot easier to fix than most think.

I'm pretty sure I could make a mold from the other side and patch it in on the damage side and have it perfect in less than 2 weeks providing the car is dissasembled and everything is ready to go with the proper equipment.

There are a couple guys here that have lots of experience with carbon fiber and like to bring cars back to life, I bet I know who buys it.

 

For someone who has no horse in this race you seem to be taking this way to personal. Good thing is that I know people on here who have the means of buying will not be using your recommended street vendor services. .

 

Greg - apologies as FChat does have its occasional share of antagonists that are best ignored.

Agreed that the car and its future is what is worth talking about here. Thanks for all your info so far.

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I'll help try and salvage this thread with you ( no punt intended ) , and let's revert to discussing the car.

As stated in a previous post as what someone would do with the car if money was no object ( yet it always is).

I would repair it and make it as close to an F50 GT as possible , but road registered, if the car is going to be so well known it might as well stand out from the rest of them. If you are in for a penny, you might as well be in for a pound. !

What would you do..? I think it still retains too much value to part out.

 

Personally I don't think there's any benefit or necessity in parting this F50 out either. If I were the buyer I'd have it evaluated by some carbon fiber experts and see what can be done to repair the existing tub. As was suggested earlier, the group that rebuilt Richard Losee's Enzo would be at the top of my list.

To those who suggested making a mold of the current tub and then assembling a new one there is so much more to it than that - the thickness of the layers of carbon, and the direction of the weave layup all control the chassis' rigidity. You'd need to get that right for a proper remake and also create the jigs to properly align all of the embeded aluminum components that allow other parts of the car to attach to the tub. No small task there.

McLaren have successfully repaired multiple McLaren F1 chassis over the years after similar sorts of damage buy cutting out bad sections and inserting new ones.The benefit there is that they know what went into them in the first place so for whomever attempts to repair this one, it would be best to have the unlikely assistance of Ferrari to get it right.

This car needs to be purchased by someone who wishes to own an F50 but isn't concerned about the 'story' and its affect on the car's value. I'd guess there are at least a few people out there with the means to make it right and that if the auction price doesn't get too silly that there is enough money left to get that work done and still come in at a value less than that of an F50 on the open market.

I too hope the car is purchased by someone who shares these ideas and is willing to give a view of the process along the way.

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Thanks for info and you have a great memory for MSRPs appreantly, see pic below.

As for the F50, I'm going with $287,601.

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I'm no expert in the market valuations of F50s but based on things I've read in recent times I think the F50 market is in the $750,000 to $900,000 range depending on condition and history. Joe Sackey is the man to ask around here for an answer with more substance and credibility. Hopefully he chimes in.

I think people who are targeting $300K or slightly more for this one are in the right range for a repair to be viable. I'd be shocked if it sold for more than $500K but if there are enough people interested who think they can make it work then we could see something like that.

Also, no idea what else is available but I am sure there must be a couple of F50s which at any given time that could be had for the right price.

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Yes. It can be repaired.

 

Man, what a joy it would be to repair that lovely car.

 

IMO depends on what you want to do with the car. For a driver, personally I would not pay more than a 458 as that is a far better driver in every way. For an investment, probably 40/50% of market value after repairs, depending on verifiable damage estimates. But its just a guess. The limited supply makes guessing difficult. Investors don't like guessing games so that's why I'd steer towards easier choices if/when they become available. As a collector, well as always it depends on how import it is to YOU and only you can put a price on that.

 

99999 w/less than 900 mi. and not a scuff sold for 742.5 all-in at RM around this time last year.

 

absolutely WRONG!!!

Dont get me started on my Hagerty / Totaled 328 thread.

Title washing is a FELONY buddy, so you may want to watch what you post as some of us have lived through it.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

I wasn't suggesting it was a good idea or that I supported it - just that it happens and there are shady people out there who do stuff like that. I agree that it is absolutely wrong and I know the legal implications. I'm sorry to hear you got burned but I certainly wasn't promoting the idea. Just answering Jas' question is all.

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I was also thing about this...put some filler or whatever where the damage is, make a mold and create new tub.

The best is still to autoclave it, although I've read recently there are significant advances in the vacuum bag field and companies are testing it out now, for proper aerospace. The problem before was that it was hard to get it right doing it the vacuum bag way and weak spots could be created. The expensive bit as I'm sure you know is the autoclave.

I'm not sure about the repair bit, in my (unprofessional) opinion I'd say the side bit which is damaged is also part of the strength and rigidity therefore I'm unsure if you can repair it the way you say.

Surely if you come to repair it you'll bring it to an expert who knows how to make a new tub, which makes the first point a bit mute?

I've no idea about the Mclaren repairs, my question is (was) if the tub was to be repaired, would it still have the same structural rigidity as before? If Mclaren did it I'm sure it'll be fine though, they don't ass about.

 

To my understanding, no. It's always going to show "salvaged" on the title, but once it's fixed and driveable it will read "rebuilt-salvage title".

http://www.dmv.org/pa-pennsylvania/salvaged-vehicles.php

 

ok back on topic, so sale bid going to guess about $400K?

 

I was always under the assumption that McLaren produced new tubs for the damaged McLaren F1 vehicles, but re-stamped the new tubs with the old VIN.

 

Not the case as far as I am aware. If true then there wouldn't be 6 McLaren F1 road cars that have been written off over the years.

This article on the F1 that caught fire in California back in June 2009 may interest you:

A McLaren F1’s Rise from the Ashes

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$650 - $850K depending on mileage I think.....they are very rare in the market so hard to benchmark any trends, except "rare" and "up" of course.....

Ask that guy in Cali whose house burned down full of Fabrege eggs, he was selling his (all covered in tacky stickers) as it survived the fire......I'll bet that was not the original plan.

 

That's what Ferrari would do, as the liability has to be atmospheric in returning the car to the road.....

The Jamail car has the same VIN I have "heard"......SkizoAce could confirm that he has Sunday dinner over there ....