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  1. anotherguy

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    I like to cook. A lot. Some people cook so they don't starve, I cook because I love cooking for people and seeing them enjoy what I have made for them. sct4a made mention of sous vide in the 50 best restaurants thread and I had never heard of it before. After spending the weekend reading anything and everything I could find about it, I am fascinated and have decided to give it a try. Tonight I ordered a Sous Vide Supreme with their vacuum sealer system. It's quite an expensive plunge to take blindly on the entry level equipment but I figured I would stay away from the higher end stuff($2100 for a chamber vacuum sealer?!?!?!) until I decide if it's something I really like. That and I don't know if I will ever be able to talk myself into spending $2k on something that sucks air out of plastic bags and another $1500 on something that makes water warm.

    All that rambling and back story aside...

    Anyone else have one of these or given this method of cooking a shot before? It seems very straight forward and pretty damn easy but I am looking for as much information as I can find and I haven't actually talked to anyone who has tried it yet. What can you tell me?
     
  2. konatown

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    Never tried cooking that way myself, just eaten a few dishes prepared in the technique. Absolutely wonderful though.

    Next time you look for equipment like that, check your local papers and craigslist for restaurant closings. You can pick up great, high quality equipment for next to nothing
     
  3. Westworld

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    Look forward to it. Never had a sous vide meal, but I'm intrigued by it.

    Pick up the "Under Pressure" book as well (Thomas Keller) if you can.
     
  4. spirot

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    Sous vide is a very popular technique in France with michelin guide chefs. To make is work properly you have to have an immersion bath. you can try to keep that on your stove top, but you cant have it boil or simmer... the goal is to keep it at about 200*f.

    When you cook sous vide, the goal is to cook the food slowly with a lot of aromatics, and fat. which gives you a very smooth and even cooked product.

    I like sous vide for chicken breast pillairds with lemon peel, capers and olive oil... Another is veal shoulder, garlic and white truffle & pinch of mushroom oil... poach for about 45 - min hour, slice thin and serve with rissotto.
     
  5. anotherguy

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    That's what I thought too until I found a lost of some restaurants that use it. Suddenly the odd's that I had eaten a meal prepared that way increased by quite a bit. Here's a list from the place I order my stuff from:

    http://www.sousvidesupreme.com/cooking/svs-restaurants

    It will be here this week. :)

    I have a water oven on the way that is 1*f accurate.

    My understanding is that you set the temperature of the water bath to the final internal temperature of the dish you are preparing. Eggs are at 146*f, steak at 135*f, salmon at 120*f, etc. Where does the 200*f come from?
     
  6. David_S

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    You are correct - you want the water bath to be at or very slightly over the desired final temperature of the food. This way, the whole system (water bath & food) very slowly comes to the equilibrium temperature you want in the end.
     
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    Dammit, anotherguy.

    Now you got me spending $500 on a fancy water heater....

    This could be fun!
     
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  9. Westworld

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    How long until you get it?
     
  10. anotherguy

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    Don't blame me! I believe sct4a is the one who got me to buy one based on the discussion of the technique in the top 50 restaurants thread. But yes, it looks like it will be a lot of fun.

    Mine got here today. Going to try some scrambled eggs here in a little bit since they are supposed to be phenomenal. Doing chicken tonight as it is supposed to really show off the difference in cooking techniques well. I'll report in on the eggs in a bit.
     
  11. anotherguy

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    So made the scrambled eggs per these instructions.

    http://www.sousvidesupreme.com/community/2009/11/eggs-scrambled-in-the-french-manner/

    Oh. My. God.

    I will never make scrambled eggs any other way. They were amazing. The recipe says "You know the ones I mean–those with the delicate consistency of a velvety custard," and they aren't joking. "A velvety custard" is exactly how to describe them. The egg flavor was much more prominent than any other egg's I have ever had. I tasted them plain and then drizzled a little truffle oil over them. Made for a great lunch.
     
  12. sct4a

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    Sous vide is addicting :) Speaking of custards one of the things I make most often is my "per se glace à la vanille". Traditionally making custard bases its soooo easy to overcook them so making them in sous vide allows you to reach that exact temp without overcooking for the perfect results. If your into ice cream i'd def recommend making it this way and you'll see the difference.

    Another awesome thing with cooking sous vide is the ability to use compression. Tonight for a rooftop bbq party I made a compressed strawberry gelee to go with my glace à la vanille. The ability to compress things lets them take on entirely new shapes and textures to allow you to produce some really creative new dishes. I'd suggest playing around with that as well since it can be really fun.
     
  13. anotherguy

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    For dinner I did Sous Vide chicken breasts with just very simply seasoning. A little garlic, rosemary, pepper and a little bit of butter. They were the most tender chicken breasts I have ever eaten. I am indeed hooked. Tomorrow or Sunday I'm thinking I need to do a steak. Maybe a hanger steak of a flank steak to test the longer cooking of tougher meats.


    I need recipes and my copy of Under Pressure won't be here for a couple days so spill it! :D I'm heading to the store tomorrow to find lots of things to try. I've decided it will be a gluttonous weekend.
     
  14. Westworld

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    Any chance we can get some pics?
     
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    So do you caramelize a steak on high heat before you sous vide it? Or is caramelization not possible with sous vide?
     
  16. konatown

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    After, would be the best way to get the color and texture.
     
  17. Far Out

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    Why are these things so damn expensive? You cold probably build one yourself with a pot, some sort of heating element and a bit of electronics for less than 50€/$...
     
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    See the link Wax and I posted above. ;)
     
  19. Far Out

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    Okay, but they don't have an automated temperature control in their beer cooler thing, do they? I think that's one of the most important parts of the whole device.
     
  20. anotherguy

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    #23 anotherguy, May 10, 2010
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    Will do. I think there will be steaks some time this week and I will be sure and get some pics from here forward.

    That's what I have heard as well.

    Here is a pretty good guide i found to Sous Vide steaks.

    http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/03/how-to-sous-vide-steak.html

    Mainly because I am lazy like toys. :D

    Consistent management of the temperature is the hardest part. Being able to buy something that just works and is consistent day to day should produce better results. With some of the safety issues that already exist with this method of cooking, throwing meat into hot water in a cooler has me raising an eyebrow.

    This is a cheaper alternative to the one I got (which is still relatively cheap!). It works with rice cookers, slow cookers, etc.

    http://freshmealssolutions.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=15&Itemid=31&TreeId=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=31
     
  21. sct4a

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    Its actually not from the book I came up with it on my own but had a bit of help. Per Se knows how much I love their glace which is pretty much the best thing in the world so they sent me home with some mix to see if I could make my own like it. Turns out I was able to finally get everything just right and tastes almost exactly the same. I'll post up my recipe when I get home.

    You should also get the alinea book it is another must must have......oh and um now would be a good time to take out a mortgage on your house to afford all these toys :)

    You can do either or. However if you do sear something prior to cooking you must chill it via an ice bath or something similar prior to cryovacing and cooking. Whatever you cryovac should always be chilled prior to sealing.
     
  22. anotherguy

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    Currently heating the SVS to 134 degrees to cook a flank steak for 24 hours and see how well this process lives up to it's reputation for turning tougher cuts of meat into amazing steaks. The steak has been marinating since yesterday. I'll post pictures and commentary tomorrow night.
     

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