Not sure what you are basing that on, but if you read what the guy is saying, it's ridiculous. He says - The CS will run circles around the Scud, and the Speciale is rawer than the Scud? With the exact same driver in each seat, the Scud will out perform the CS all day. It's in the raw numbers and next generation engineering. There is obvious prejudice in this conclusion. And then, on top of that, the Speciale is better and rawer than the Scud? That's the ROFLMAO. While I could proclaim that my Scud will outperform the Speciale, we all know that it's ridiculous to say that, so I won't try and convince anyone on a Ferrari forum that it's really true. We all know better. Rawness? Anyone who says the Speciale is "rawer" or more true to what a Ferrari experience should be has totally missed the point... in a big way. And to point at cars that really do provide a raw experience and say they are a "6", slower than older models, and ugly is.. again, ridiculous. I have considered buying a Speciale to add to my Scud, but I refuse to buy one at over MSRP so it will have to wait. But I respect the CS, Scud, and Speciale for what they are and won't come on here to push my personal agenda or make ridiculous statements to defend the cars I've owned over others.
I am in the process of getting one right now, I mean docs fedex to me to sign, but it would be difficult to predict. Have you seen the picture thread, if that's how many speciales around, it is not rare. Only rare ones become collectible. Sorry but I don't feel it the same as my scud. But why am I getting one? Man, is it PRETTY as he'll! But I don't care really if it's not a collectible. I am living the dream and am not expecting to live more than 60 so might as well get one.
BTW, the argument that a SCUD and SPECIALE who rawer? How can we argue on this, half of us here have not driven a scud or speciale. Driving a car a couple of miles is not driving the car. At least empty the fuel tank and make a description. No offense to anybody, but rawness is eating an uncooked oyster that makes you go to the potty after eating it. Can we find a better description to define each car. IMHO please.
Er, can you actually read? I said that IMO the CS was better for sound, appearance and simplicity. All things I can judge, having not owned a Scud. I then said Scud was no doubt faster. Faster never equals 'automatically better' in my view, so based on some of the values that are important to me, I preferred the CS. Which is why I bought one. I don't own one now. When I talked about 'running rings' again, read the post properly. "It is within that realm where a WELL-DRIVEN CS will run rings around MOST people driving a Scud". In other words, the Scud is not so much faster that a really good driver couldn't overturn the difference. That also applies to Scud v Speciale btw. My original post does not read as a defence of cars I've owned AT THE EXPENSE of other cars I haven't (what a shock, I like cars that I bought - isn't that how it's supposed to work?). No, mine was essentially a post about the Speciale, responding to criticism of that car against others, in particular Scud, which I felt to be misleading. Not in itself an original criticism of the Scud. I don't think I said once that the Speciale was rawer than the Scud, simply that to criticise the Speciale for not being raw enough is misleading. Again, read what I wrote. (I think I said that to suggest Scud is "head and shoulders" rawer than Speciale is not right. What ever 'raw' exactly means.) I have also owned 12C, which was a great car, but not as good as the Speciale IMO otherwise it would still be in my garage. I am pushing no personal agenda, simply writing what I feel. It's a forum, people will agree with it or not. But there is little to disagree with in my post since I didn't criticise any car. I made it clear that my preference for CS over Scud was a preference, not everyone agrees, and I think I said that "the Scud will have its own deserved place in automotive history". Seems like you read what you were expecting me to say, not what I actually said. Why so sensitive? I prefer to write my own words, not have them put in my mouth for me if that's ok with you.
I have driven a full on SCUD in the Monaco area; own SPECIALE; unfortunately not side by side; Scud is more raw. Scud shifting was jolting every moment, which is fun until you are driving it in congested areas. For me Speciale is more amazing hands down, modern design, features and confidence building. A bit bias since I have one. You can't go wrong with either, but man Speciale makes you smile ear to ear ALL THE TIME!
Thanks. I found a Speciale that is spec'd the way I would order it, and it is RED!!!! I traded by RED 991 GT3 and want another red car. Funny but I told myself I would not buy another red ferrari and here am I again.
How about the sound? Everybody is saying it is not as loud? I have not driven one. I am not really into LOUD cars but a SCUD is the best sounding Ferrari or car Ived owned, IMO. Next would be a F430. Most people said the new 991 GT3 does not sound loud enough but for me it is perfect so they are a bit subjective.
Can't believe this is turning into another Speciale vs. Scuderia vs. Stradale thread...Sign.. Too many Speciales were made (in my opinion) to make it an instant collectible. I think in time, people may reminisce about the last of the NA engine but I think it is too soon for that.
When I ordered my Speciale I knew without a doubt that this car was going to be a very special car in Ferrari history. I decided to go with Rosso Scuderia with the NART stripe. A hundred years from now people will still love red Ferraris. Be prepared to be underwhelmed by the exhaust sound. Everything else is spectacular...but the sound is not quite right IMHO. Lots of easy solutions though in case you want a more exciting exhaust sound. PM sent.
The sound of my Speciale was louder than my Italia, but very different. No high pitch wail or urgency sound. I didn't like it. I also think SSC is interesting but less stable for normal around town driving, esp coupled with those fantastic but race oriented tires. Depends what you want. Personally I really just want louder high pitch wail all the time so a spider may do it for me, rigidity aside.
I think sound is a subjective thing, just like paint color. I don't mind the sound of the Speciale at all. But again, that's just a personal preference thing. I agree with everyone that the Scud has a "raw, edgy" feel that is largely absent in the Speciale. That being said, I love the Speciale way more than the Scud. The Speciale just has so much to offer. In terms of color, you can't go wrong with red on this car.
From what I recall yes, sound on the 430s has been more impressive than 458s. Compared to my 458 spider the Speciale screams! I have heard of aftermarket 458s and they were pretty impressive.
That's starting to sound like an awfully crowded long trade. Every dealership I go to and every Ferrari owner I have talked with says the same thing word for word, "the speciale has to go up because it's the last N/A car Ferrari may ever produce" If you are investing in cars, you better have a very long time table. When I was younger, I remember the F40 came out and was selling for 1.2M for a while there. Then prices fell apart. I later bumped into the CFO of Apple and he had just bought an F40 to use at the track for $250K. I almost bought one myself for $349K later that year. I remember some years later I bumped into a guy that had just paid $700K for one and said, "I think I over paid and clipped the top of the market". I remember thinking to myself he was nuts to have paid that... But look at where they trade today. Ferrari's 75th anniversary is quickly approaching. If they make something ultra exclusive to celebrate that, along the lines of an Enzo or something, that might be a good investment Ray
freshmeat posted this article in the 430 forum, but figured its relevant here as well https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/cars/guess-who-just-challenged-ferraris-toughest-street-gang
It will take time, but I believe the 458 Speciale WILL become a collectible. And by time, I am thinking 20-30 years. Even if there are 3000 of them, most will either succumb to accidents or poor maintenance/upkeep. In 20 years time, there might only be a few hundreds of them. At that point, having the last great NA V8 will command a SUBSTANTIAL premium, assuming the car has been well kept and does not have too much mileage.
The Speciale really does live up to its name. Personally, I think I would prefer it to the 488. While the 488 is a technically superior car, driving a supercar is about the intangible, emotional, X-factor element. And the 458 (top end) has that in spades, in a way that I think future supercars won't have. I love the Huracan too, and I suspect that it will be the last NA V8 Lambo. So when they come out with the Superleggera, I suspect it too will be a collectible.
Having driven all three of the cars referenced in the article, I would say that absolutely: (a) the Speciale lives up to its name, (b) it's a far superior car to the other two in most ways, and (c) if you had to choose just one of the three, it's a complete no-brainer which of them is THE choice.
Yep, according to the article, if you could only have one, the choice would be a Scuderia... “If you had to have one of them, I think the Scuderia represents the best value and balance in terms of build quality, reliability, usability and speed,” says Stanley “It’s a nice sweet spot – remember that it was quicker than an Enzo around Fiorano when it was launched.”
