Split from the Hamilton China Grid Penalty Thread

what absolute rubbish.

 

Yes.

Disagreeing is one thing, constant mindless drivel is another. I'm no vettel fan and I'm no Schumacher fan but I seem to do just fine around here considering I'm a McLaren guy 100%. What you haven't learned in all your time here, is how to express yourself without being a baby about it. It's a forum and behind a keyboard. Things get said here that people wouldn't dare to say to someone's face.

And don't kid yourself I got a month off for something I thought was complete nonsense, only I had the class to express it to Andrew privately and have a grown up discussion, not take to the forum all pissy.

 

Watch out with that word. You might get banned like Godspeed.

I rest my case.

 

I think these forums are exceptionally impartially moderated. And I say that as someone who's gotten the ban. (Unfairly in my case, of course. I was framed.)

 

One day bud, you'll get it. Toil got it and turned into a contributing member.

 

Since you "get it" and I'm obviously still not there please tell me where are the warning/bans for people that are constantly bashing Hamilton in order to get a reaction from the other side?

I've actually never seen one of those warning/bans. If one of you guys can find that unicorn please share a link.

Sounds like double standards to me.

Can you also explain how you can get impartial moderation if a moderator is a Ferrari/Schumacher/Vettel fan? How exactly does that work?
It's like having a judge/jury that are related to the defendant....lol

It's a good thing the REAL world works a bit differently (most of the time).

 

You can lead a horse to water but..

 

I'm not a fan of perma-bans but OP was trolling.

No one cares that you think Lewis is the best driver we are a tifosi centred forum you aren't going to change our minds about him. (unless he joins Ferrari)

My views of Vettel have changed since he joined us

 

troublemaker!

 

All these $%^#@#%$^#^$%& in practice



edit: might be a spoiler, i have censored myself

 

I'm pointing out a double standard. Relax, I'm not trying to convert you...lol

 

I was talking about the OP. I didn't even read your posts

 

I like the debating/discussing. For anyone that wants to paint this as "only Ferrari is allowed", go visit the many "Massa Sucks" threads, from when Felipe drove for Ferrari of course.

 

and?

This is about trolling.

 

Can't he just make a new account?

 

They will track his IP, and ban the duplicate account toil once they suspect he's back. Doesn't take much to work out who he is for some of these mods, some are tech geeks remember (no offence intended)

 

It would be very onerous to review all of the nudges or warnings issued on threads or via PM, so let's examine outright bans during the crackdown:

Ferrari fans:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/497644-kimi-vs-vettel-%40-spa.html#post144144469 (yellowducatista11 - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/499158-mclaren-lose-sponsors-next-year-2.html#post144186331 (Korr and itschris - 1 month each)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/502385-dont-you-just-want-season-end-2.html#post144253860 (TifosiUSA - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/502195-2015-formula-1-russian-grand-prix-race-%2A%2A%2A-spoilers-%2A%2A%2A-11.html#post144257442 (Aircon - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/507709-lewis-hamilton-60-minutes-sunday-2.html#post144379984 (DF1 - 1 month)

Interestingly, many of those mod actions in those links lead to PM complaints from members of the Tifosi (not always the person banned) saying that the offenders were justified by how bad Hamilton fans were or that I was biased in favour of Hamilton and therefore I was moderating against those who criticised him. However, most of those who were banned took it like men, modified their behavior, and the section calmed down.​

Hamilton fans:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/497559-2015-formula-1-shell-belgian-grand-prix-qualifying-%2A%2A%2A-spoilers-%2A%2A%2A-4.html#post144143414 (Jackie and bill - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/497906-lewis-hamilton-stats-mclaren-vs-mercedes.html#post144151151 (GodSpeed33 - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/499139-hamiltons-performances-dominant-senna-according-david-coulthard-6.html#post144185404 (toil - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/499600-lewis-hamilton-significantly-better-than-all-drivers-currently-grid-3.html#post144189515 (tesla - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/499672-lewis-hamilton-your-favourite-current-f1-driver-6.html#post144233683 (GodSpeed33 - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/502195-2015-formula-1-russian-grand-prix-race-%2A%2A%2A-spoilers-%2A%2A%2A-9.html#post144248331 (Jackie and bill - 2 months)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/505709-hamilton-said-4.html#post144337527 (Kraftwerk - 3 months)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/519170-hamilton-serve-5-place-grid-penalty-gear-box-change-china.html#post144624690 (GodSpeed33 - started as only a reminder, but escalated to permanent)

Unfortunately, there are many repeat offenders here who moved on to the second offense ban.​

Both Hamilton and Ferrari fans:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/499139-hamiltons-performances-dominant-senna-according-david-coulthard-2.html#post144178384 (Kraftwerk and maulaf - 1 month each)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/506563-2015-f1-etihad-airways-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-race-%2A%2A%2A-spoilers-%2A%2A%2A-6.html#post144351905 (Tesla - 3 months ; P.Singhof - 1 month)

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/506971-through-eyes-champion-lewis-hamiltons-2015-a.html#post144358758 (GodSpeed33 - 3 months ; IamRobG - 1 month)​

Balanced warnings: Here are some examples where both sides were bickering and a balanced warning was issued to everyone or the threads were closed to prevent otherwise inevitable mass bans.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/497629-2015-formula-1-shell-belgian-grand-prix-race-%2A%2A%2A-spoilers-%2A%2A%2A-18.html#post144173426

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/480684-rosberg-vs-hamilton-2015-f1-season-%2A-%2A-%2A-spoilers-%2A-%2A-%2A-43.html#post144099754

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/464570-hamilton-v-rosberg-thread-37.html#post144342875

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/f1/506375-button-alonso-more-difficult-beat-than-hamilton.html#post144342877​

Ban totals by group:

Ferrari fan bans: 9 bans over 9 members

Hamilton fan bans: 11 bans over 5 members (4 bans by GodSpeed33 alone)​

If, like GodSpeed33, one refuses to ever soften the tone and will consistently seek to start arguments, then a loss of access is the inevitable result. I might also add that GodSpeed33 got more chances than he should have done because he received two first offense 1-month bans by mistake. I've only just caught that now. So the real comparison should have been 9-10 in outright bans. However, it is not the case that if one type of supporter is banned that the other type of supporter must also be banned for something else in order for it to be fair. Reported posts are examined and bans are issued on individual merit - if you do something to warrant moderation, it will be moderated.

Toil has been frequently complained about, and moderated occasionally in the past, but now he's viewed by many as a valued contributor - so much so that I can now hold him up as a good example for you to emulate. This is much to my relief, as the conversation would get increasingly one dimensional if we only had Ferrari fans on the forum and no fans of any other drivers or teams. Differences of opinion give us something to talk about and are welcome.

I suggest that it is your own bias, Tesla, that causes you to perceive that only Hamilton fans are ever subjected to warnings or bans.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

WTF did you bother? I don't agree with most of your bans, but they are balanced! Lol

 

If you have "figured" all of this by now, you shouldn't have any more trouble around here.

 

If you are in a Ferrari forum,it's normal that the moderators will be Ferrari fans, same as if you are in a Mercedes Forum, most likely the moderators and the other menbers will be Mercedes fans......thats why the forums are created in the first place, for people who share common interests......that's why i never understood what you are doing here!!!

 

Its just a forum man. Don't be so combative. Share opinions and views, argue and bicker, but don't hold on to it. The mods aren't in on some big conspiracy. I got bit by my own lobbying for stricter enforcement.

 

A lot of people subscribe to FerrariChat because they own a Ferrari, or like the road cars. If they come to the F1 section it's because they are also fans of F1. However, that doesn't automatically mean they are fans of the Ferrari F1 team, and their favourite driver may not be a Ferrari driver. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be here.

 

What also should be pointed out is that many of those here are likely leaders in their fields, or striving very hard to be successful, and so their personalities are not predisposed to having people attack them at every turn, as happens frequently in this cauldron.

I myself have had a ban which I haven't agreed with, but I am guilty of being drawn into slanging matches with certain individuals that went supernova

The fact remains that those on the whole attracted to a Ferrari forum, and it's f1 section, will most likely be Ferrari tifosi by default. Hence, if certain people are attacking Ferrari or its drivers, or attempting to impose their views over and above that of the general populace, it is hardly surprising that they find themselves faced with 20 alternative replies rather than absolute agreement at every turn.

Certain fans of hambone tend to pick at people individually to try to get them riled up, much like Godspeed did, hence, their reputation is less than it could be.

I'm absolutely sure I'm not well received by ham fans, I detest him as is my right as a race fan, but my opinion is no more or less worthy than that of a devout Elton enthusiast. As long as we keep it civil and factual, or totally and obviously humorous, then none of us should be offended

 

Re-read the message he was banned for.

It reveals the banned poster's motivation for being here is to see people upset.

That doesn't fit in with a discussion based community. Instead, its like taking a crap in the soup pot before dinner.

Had, instead of focusing on his love of antagonizing people, he had posted his expectations for Hamilton to over come the grid penalty, there wouldn't of been a problem. It was the underlying attitude of wanting to leave a big stink, rather than being a fan of Hamilton.

 

The thing is... you and some of the others actually don't appear to "love F1 and like reading/participating" here on FerrariChat. I'm pretty much the last guy you need to lecture about differing opinions. I've been assailed... aggressively but not personally... about my view on Alonso and some of the other favorites as well as my disagreement with often repeated opinion that somehow becomes fact along the way. So I'm not "that guy" Tesla.

The continued argument about whether or not the rules or the enforcement is fair or equal is just silly and childish. They are what they are. It's not our site. It belongs and is run by someone as a business. We choose to be here. You can state your opinion about it and they may take it into consideration but they don't have to. So... if you or others are continually dismayed by how the site is run... go elsewhere. I'm not saying that you should or that I even want you to... but why come to a place willingly that just upsets you. Personally guys like Toil don't bother me at all. I think everyone contributes in some way but sometimes it's viewed that people cross the line. I fine that certain people here are diehard Lewis fans or Alonso fans or whomever... I just don't care enough about online posting for it to have a deep emotional impact on me. If you get warned and you lash out... it shouldn't be a surprise that you get asked to leave.

I had my vacation for 30 days for a pretty mild response to a personal attack. I wasn't even warned. I politely asked for an explanation... got one... politely expressed my view... and went away for a month. I didn't have to come back. No one made me. We are guests of this site. I think that's too easy to forget.