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  1. Bob Parks

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    #1 Bob Parks, Aug 18, 2015
    Some recent comments about the deterioration of language and other things triggered my mouth and I thought of the poor communication skills that one encounters every day. Like, you know, people like don't say stuff so's you can dig what there givin' out ya' know. I mean ya' know sometimes like when a friend was like telling' me about a kid in the family having' a motorsickle wreck because he had to miss a truck tire. My vision of this incident was that he almost hit a tire that was lying in the road ahead of him. When I asked if the tire was removed from the road, I got a blank stare and ,"Whadya' mean?" So, I restated the question to a blank face and finally got an answer. "It was still on the truck. It was a big tank thing." It happened to be the rear set of duals on a tanker truck and the boy got suck in under the tank and had to take aggressive action to evade "the tire" and crashed into the guard rail. So, a wheel (or wheels) was described as a tire. So, I mean ya' know wheels like can be sometimes a rim like or ya' know a tire. Whatever, WGAS. Like I grew up in a family with a bunch of like school nuts like I mean my brother was a doctor ya' know and my ol' man was like a architeck and he was always like correcting stuff I did ya' know. Like my brother was on my case all the time when I got something wrong like so I was always like redoing math spelling talking and jeez like table manners ya' know. Whatever like.
     
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    #2 wbc, Aug 18, 2015
    Very well done and, unfortunately, all too true. I'm currently reading Bill Bryson's "The Mother Tongue: English and How it Got That Way" and it's fascinating how our language has evolved over the centuries. Minor correction, Mr. Parks, to be "street correct" the last two words should read "Like whatever" instead of "Whatever like" :)
     
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    #3 zudnic, Aug 18, 2015
    I know my grammar is fairly bad. I don't edit posts, just type fast and hit post. But on some forums people are using Twitter short hand for all posts and its annoying. O.K. I can understand SIL or DH, etc. Every other word is just too much. Spoken English in my house was corrected by my Father. Business emails are spell and grammar checked. A few of my business contacts clearly don't. Written is just as bad or worse then spoken these days.
     
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    #4 dmark1, Aug 18, 2015
    Sorry I have no idea what you just said ;)
     
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    #5 GrigioGuy, Aug 18, 2015
    For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

    Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

    Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

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    #6 Bob Parks, Aug 18, 2015
    I didn't understand it either. I'm such a pretentious snob that I can't stand anybody. I hate to see the lack of desire to do things correctly. It doesn't take any more energy to say, "I did," instead of."I done." As an old guy, I have have seen our language deteriorate, self pride diminish, and too many other things sliding down into lower levels. I don't hold myself above anyone because I was fortunate to be born in the right family, thank The Lord, and I didn't have anything to do with who I am. It's sad to see so many young people getting a poor start. Now, I'm going to keep quiet before I'm booted off the board.
     
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    #7 dmark1, Aug 18, 2015
    My bad...

    KIDDING!! :)
     
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    #8 MarkPDX, Aug 18, 2015
    You should try moving to the south...... People are always "fixin" to do things. Well what is broken that you are fixing? Alternately are they fixing in order to determine the accuracy of their navigation?
     
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    #9 Bob Parks, Aug 18, 2015
    I know. I just found an old soapbox and checked it out. Kinda fun but I'm done.
     
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    #10 Bob Parks, Aug 18, 2015
    Mark, I...No. Ah growed up in the South an' I was fixing' to do a lot thangs but Ah jis couldn't cotton up to it.
     
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    #11 Gatorrari, Aug 18, 2015
    There was a great book called "How to Speak Southern" that was just hilarious; it may still be available. The author's name was Sam C. Rawls but naturally everyone called him "Scrawls"!

    According to him, the large city just south of here is called "Etlanna" and its counterpart in the state to our west is "Bumminham". And they way some locals speak it, that is absolutely right!:D
     
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    #12 Bob Parks, Aug 18, 2015
    Raht Own, Jim. Ah met a gal from "Alana' who tole mah mumma that she plide thu Hawup. She lived in a erearer rot near Alana, bout 50 mals noth in Gawidga. She sayud that she disahned her own staishunry which she wrote own. Ah knows about Bumminham an Chasson, Sathcolana. Nahs plahsis.
     
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    #13 Gatorrari, Aug 18, 2015
    Ah've bin ta Bumminham but nevah Chasson - Ah need ta git me there sumtahm.

    (Seriously, Bob, we're being very politically incorrect for these times. And here in the Atlanta area, almost no one speaks that way. This city is now so cosmopolitan that it hardly seems like a "Southern" city anymore. You'd have to go out into rural Georgia (or Jawja, if you prefer) to hear such language. But I do work with one fellow from out in Carroll County whose accent is rather heavy, and it's sometimes a bit difficult for this Yankee to figure him out!)

    A funny thing - I lived for six years in Florida, but no one said to me "You're from New York, aren't you?" until I moved to - Seattle!
     
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    #14 Gatorrari, Aug 18, 2015
    Regarding a different type of "standard", I recently saw a reproduction of the Boeing drafting manual from 1918. But it wasn't a manual at all, it was one page! Things really were simpler back then.
     
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    #15 zudnic, Aug 19, 2015
    When in Central Washington or living in Seattle nobody figured out I was Canadian. In Phoenix they always ask what part of Canada, unless they are from Seattle or Los Angeles.

    Having lived in Canada and The U.S. off and on for 30 years two provinces and three states. I can say Canada has better spoken English in general.
     
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    #16 Bob Parks, Aug 19, 2015
    I know several Canadians and it appears that the English extraction still shows in better grammar, spelling, more extensive reading, and knowledge of world history. When I was instructing at Boeing in 1962-63 the students from England knew more American History than the American students and their command of the English language exceeded ours. From what I can see now, this country is falling behind in everything; education, math skills, reading, writing, speech, and self discipline.
     

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