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STARTING SITTING FIAT DINO

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  1. JANSTECH

    JANSTECH Rookie

    Jul 31, 2013
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    TORONTO, ONTARIO
    I recently found a 1971 Fiat Dino with supposedly 24,000 original kms. I put the car in a warehouse two days ago, where I have some other Alfa's that don't work, and haven't really had a chance to take a good look at it. I know the car is not ferrari, but the motors are similar and hence my post on this site. The car was brought over to Canada in the 70's and sat on display in the office of a body shop here in Toronto for several years. It was rarely driven by the owner. I would suspect he used his dealer plates to drive it around. Although the body is fairly solid, it is not rust fee, and the entire underbody of the car is covered in a light tar. This was common practice in the 70's for preserving vehicles here. The original owner died and left the car with his daughter, where it had been parked in her garage for several years (unknown). A local Alfa mechanic that knew the family gently started the car last summer and told me that it ran and shifted fine, and I shouldn't be so worried about starting it. I think not.

    My question being, what is the safest possible way to attempt starting this car after it's been sitting for so long. Besides changing oil/filter and draining fuel. Are there any other tricks that must be done so as not to cause any damage? I've had mostly muscle cars in the past and a few Alfa GTV6's, but don't really have any experience with this type of motor. Is there any way to prime the oil pump? Any tips on what oil to use would also be helpful. Also, are there any equivalent oil filters that are readily available or a remote oil filter adapter kit to use a more conventional filter?
     
  2. maxlouis

    maxlouis Rookie

    Oct 27, 2011
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    I am not sure that there is anything that you need desperately to worry about, although probably sensible to replace the timing chain and adjust the valve clearances before you do too much with it; Ferrari parts Superformance ferrari dino ferrari v6 ferrari v12 specialists 308 246 206 fiat dino 355 328 or Home: Startseite for parts in Europe. Once you do start it - assuming the fuel pump works - you will probably notice a rather loud and disconcerting mechanical whir/whine at tick over which is far more pronounced on the 2400s than on the 246s. This chain noise is normal and disappears to sound marvellous above 3000 rpm. I would just use a standard oil filter - the UFI ones seem to work fine and are cheap. Re. oil, I have successfully used Mobil 1 for a number of years. Probably change the gear box oil as well as the ZF boxes are rare now. A word of warning if you do change the diff oil, don't use normal EP oils because they will break your diff; only use special LS 80w-90 oil. Good luck!
     
  3. rosso corsa motorsport

    rosso corsa motorsport Formula Junior

    Nov 30, 2008
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    important!! change exhaust valves
     
  4. TonyL

    TonyL F1 Rookie

    Sep 27, 2007
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    The above two posters have given good advise, however I would add that you need to consider very carefully the damage that COULD be done, parts such as cranks, heads etc are diffuclt (almost impossible)to come by and eye watering expensive if you do find one.

    Engines sitting for long periods with oil in them are prone to detergent corrosion and this can attack big end shells etc. It may start OK but could develop in something more serious.

    You have two options, start her up and see if all is OK, or strip and rebuild. I would do the latter, it may save you a lot of heartache.

    If you choose the former then in addition I would remove plugs and squirt in a small amount of releasing agent into the bores to help the rings unbind. Check compressions as well. A small camera may help to dig a bit deeper too.

    After that its your call.
     
  5. Ken Ivey

    Ken Ivey Formula Junior
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    Jan 6, 2013
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    A couple of standard items for starting an engine that has been sitting - once you've changed the oil and filter, remove the spark plugs and spin the engine using the starter to distribute new oil. While you have the spark plugs out, shoot some Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders to reduce the initial friction of the rings and burns off immediately.
     
  6. mikeyr

    mikeyr Formula 3

    Jun 17, 2004
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    start it up and drive it!!!

    you will find that the accel pumps in the carbs are shot, you need new ones. The crud in the distributor is likely solid and preventing the advance weights from moving correctly, disassemble and clean and relube. Check and set the correct valve clearance. Change the oil, oil filters are UFI and Baldwin (make sure to get the -01 Baldwin as the -01 indicates the check valve, Baldwins are available at any parts store, UFI I had to order so I ran the Baldwins for 10+ years). Check the fuel filters and drive it. When I got mine after it sat 12 years I pulled the fuel tank and had it boiled and sealed rather than try to clean the fuel system. I would flush all systems, coolant, brakes, etc.

    I would NOT, certainly NOT touch the timing chain, leave it in there. And the debate about changing the valves is kind of like religion or politics, people used to love to tell me my car was a time bomb ready to go off because I still had the sodium valves, but guess what happened when they used to tell me that and I got in the car ? nothing happened except a big smile on my face as I drove off. New owner still has the sodium valves.

    Oh and the engines are not similar, they are the same !!! (another popular debate)
     
  7. maxlouis

    maxlouis Rookie

    Oct 27, 2011
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    Quality advice. Re valves etc, one can legislate for the sky to fall or just relax and wait for it to happen; might never... I ran sodium valves in my 2.4 Spider for a number of years (until a loud and expensive bang in Belgium). One thing is for sure though; much better to keep in mind that it's not so much a 'poor man's Ferrari' as a 'rich man's FIAT'. That way you won't become too depressed by the bills..!
     
  8. velocetwo

    velocetwo F1 World Champ

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    #8 velocetwo, Aug 5, 2013
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    Replacing gas is fine, but if it's possible look inside (use a scope) and see if there is any corrosion. You can flush the tank out, but if there is corrosion it will work it's way toward your engine.

    Make sure you use the proper "old school" oil
     
  9. Nuvolari

    Nuvolari F1 Veteran
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    Sep 3, 2002
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    I happen to have known about the car in question for some time and it is nice to see that someone has scooped it up and is trying to bring it back to life. I think there is a lot of good advice here and I believe that it is not necessary to pull the engine apart. Some good preventative maintenance like new hoses and fresh oil, along with some good checks prior to starting is all I would do. These engines are pretty tough and it is not necessary to be overly cautious.
     

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