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Steep Driveway and the 360 F1

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  1. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
    609
    Middletown, NJ
    I've been looking for a 360 for a bit. My preference would be a 6sp but I don't mind an F1 if it can cope with my driveway, which I will attempt to describe briefly. I realize it's pretty hard to describe this with any accuracy but I'll do my best:

    Getting out, it's essentially a climbing "U" shape with the leg closest to the garage being nearly level. I have to back about 50ft out one leg of the "U", into a corner, then move forward immediately up and around to the left. It's pretty steep and the corner is kind of tight. Tight enough to get a little limited-slip tire squirm in my GT3 going up the hill.

    In that car, I round the corner just over idle, then accelerate up to street level - which is about 100 feet from the apex. So it's not very long, just steep.

    How steep? I used to have a Lotus Esprit S4s. When stock, it could not accelerate above idle going up the steepest part of the hill. I walk my road bike up the stairs rather than ride it to save the strain on cold knees. More than about 1" of snow and I can't get out in my snow-tire-equipped BMWs. One amusing morning, trying to get my wife's old VW out in the snow, I got stuck, applied the brakes, then slid backwards and sideways, pinning us between two retaining walls. That was fun.

    All this prose for a simple question: am I likely to be able to get an F1 clutch to fully engage up this hill or will it slip all the way up every single day? Maybe a better-formed question is: is there a minimum speed below which the system is always slipping the clutch? Can a PIS adjustment help the situation?

    Thanks for any thoughts.
     
  2. Camdon53

    Camdon53 Formula Junior

    Jul 18, 2006
    507
    Texas, USA
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    Jim
    You need about 1 car length (2 max) on a level surface to get full clutch bite with a properly adjusted and correctly driven F1. That means if you've got a car length or two from stopped before the incline begins, you're fine. If your takeoff from stopped is uphill to begin with, you'll have some trouble (i.e., take more distance) getting full engagement and therefore be slipping the clutch more. How much more depends on the incline but it could be a lot of slippage if very steep and long.

    Hope that helps.
     
  3. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
    609
    Middletown, NJ
    Thanks for the feedback. Still on the fence about it. If only there were more 6sp cars available...
     
  4. Donie

    Donie Formula Junior

    Jan 14, 2006
    346
    Spain/Ireland
    Provided that you allow time each morning, for the car to warm towards working temp, you will quickly achieve a good bite on the clutch.

    If you have any upward gradient on the reversing part of the procedure that will be entirely different, since the clutch never really fully engages in reverse.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Stock up on clutches.
     
  6. andrewecd

    andrewecd Formula Junior

    Dec 17, 2006
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    Sydney
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    Obviously you need to get the clutch out quickly at low speed. 3 pedal lets you do this. I have similar problem when visiting my parents place. Very steep and tight approach from a stop. No problems at all in either reverse or 1st....not sure if F1 would cope with this.....get the stick, much more fun too!!
     
  7. RobNYC

    RobNYC Formula Junior

    Sep 22, 2009
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    Robert S
    What about clearance under the front bumper? If I was really a nice guy I would drive over and see if my 6 speed 360's nose would scrape on the driveway.

    But I'm not that nice.

    Actually my best friend just moved to central NJ and I can't take the 360 to see him because his driveway is too steep. His Infiniti G35 scrapes. Be careful - my 360 scrapes coming in and out of my flat driveway, just the normal street-to-sidewalk transition causes this. My Porsches never scraped on my driveway.
     
  8. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
    609
    Middletown, NJ
    Heh.

    It won't. No sidewalk and little camber on the street so the transitions are very smooth.
     
  9. mfennell70

    mfennell70 Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
    609
    Middletown, NJ
    #9 mfennell70, Jul 20, 2010
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2010
    Noted. I was hoping you'd chime in.

    Can an aggressive (which I interpret to mean "early engagement") PIS adjustment mitigate the situation at all or is that in the noise?

    EDIT: Skimming the service manual, I see that PIS is calculated. It appears you can modify the clutch travel value to cause earlier/later clutch engagement.
     
  10. rush109

    rush109 F1 Veteran

    May 26, 2005
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    :)
     
  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    There is almost nothing you can do to mitigate wear in a creeping situation or reversing. It is even worse when cold when you will be pulling out. I like the F1 system but I have always said it is at its worst in urban situations and at its best out in the country or on a track. The ground clearance situation is a serious consideration too. It really sounds like you need to look for a manual trans car.

    Be patient, the right thing will come along.
     

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