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Steering Rack Removal & Refurb

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  1. Andy 308GTB

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    Expect this thread to run & run as I slowly sink out of my depth...

    Removal:
    I intend to follow this marvelous YouTube guide
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMMju5OSn7s

    Refurb:
    I intend to follow the well known instructions used for the Pantera

    The video does joke that unbolting the ball joints from the track rods won't be easy.
    Mine look like they haven't budged in 35 years (but they must have done).
    Despite plenty of Plus Gas, I still don't think trying to undo them in situ is either feasible or a great idea.

    I think I'm better off splitting the ball joints and removing them from the track rods on the bench. But is that far too sensible?
     
  2. Martin308GTB

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    #2 Martin308GTB, Oct 20, 2015
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    It's easier to undo the counternut of the track rod ends while they are still on the car.
    Because they are supported by the steering arm.
    If you have your complete rack on the bench you have to lock the track rod end somehow, while undoing the counternut.
    Of course not much more difficult. Two wrenches, a bench vise, a second pair of hands, etc. But like said, it's easier on the car.
    I didn't watch the whole video, but two points from me:
    I would remove the battery.
    Since you plan to replace your track rod ends, I wouldn't mistreat the track rods with vise grips. I would just loosen it and completely undo it after removal from the steering arm. You will need a good ball-joint puller for this.


    Best Regards
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  3. Andy 308GTB

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    Thanks Martin.

    I'll have another go at unwinding the nuts on the track rod ends this evening. I have a few more tricks up my sleeve that I will try.
    Coming in from the side, limits the amount of leverage I can use. Like lots of these jobs, if the car was above my head I'm sure it would be easier.

    I agree that removing the battery may be better than merely covering the terminals.
    Putting a spanner across them by accident could be quite nasty.
     
  4. andyww

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    if you are going to strip down the rack there is a very detailed description of re-shimming etc in the Lotus Elan manual which I could scan if interested.

    There is lots of info online though as pretty much every British car of the era used these racks. Triumph Spitfire, Herald, Mini etc etc. The bushes in the ends which wear are available from any Lotus, Triumph etc parts supplier.

    I would personally remove the rack with the track rod ends attached otherwise you will be trying to deal with splitting out the ball joints with the suspension corner waving around all over the place.
     
  5. Andy 308GTB

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    Thanks for the offer Andy - once I extract the rack from the car I will have a better idea of the help I need.
    I did actually manage to undo the Track Rod nuts last night but everything is still in situ so I could easily split the ball joints at this point. However, from the waggling around that I have done so far they appeared to be very solid.
    Obviously, many of the parts that I may need are available via the usual suspects but as you suggest if I can get the equivalent parts through the multitude of suppliers for BL cars they will be lots cheaper.
     
  6. rkljr

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    I did my rack a little over a year ago. I used the Pantera instructions and used the bronze olite bushing. It all worked well.

    The ball joints are actually quite easy to remove. I thought they would be harder but they are really not that tight. First, drill out the pin that is pushed in between the two halves, take your pin spanner and you should be good to go. The pin is pretty easy to drill out but both metals are pretty soft so just take it easy.

    I also found the rack pretty easy to remove from the drivers side wheel well. You can unbolt it from underneath and from the opening to access the battery in the spare tire well. No need to remove the tub for the spare tire. You just need to rotate it a little when sliding it out.

    In the end, it was all easier than I anticipated.
     
  7. Martin308GTB

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    I thought, up to now, Andy was talking about the track rod ends, but:

    Talking about the ball joints between the rack and the track rods; There are different versions for securing the nuts. One like you described with the pin between the two halves of the nuts - this was also mine - and an earlier design with the nuts punched into a notch on the rack.
    With yours you need pin spanners, with the earlier design you need grooved nut spanners.
    Some folks use pipe wrenches which leave traces of botch on the nuts. Therefore I would never do this.

    Best Regards
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  8. Andy 308GTB

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    #8 Andy 308GTB, Oct 21, 2015
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    Below is my measure of success, the Track Rod nut undone... I was not confident they would separate. I'm hoping that getting the rack out should be relatively straight forward now.
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  9. Andy 308GTB

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    #9 Andy 308GTB, Oct 22, 2015
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    My Track Rod Ends don't appear to have any play in them but I have decided to replace them anyway. I was amazed at how cheap the parts were...
    £15.79 (less than US$ 25.00) delivered, for the lot:

    ,mini parts, mini spares, uk classic parts

    GSV1153 STEERING RACK GAITER KIT RUBBER BOOTS ALL MINIS 1959 - 2000
    1@£1.94 = £1.94

    GSJ734 TRACK ROD END ALL MINIS
    2@£3.46 = £6.92

    FNZ208 HALF NUT 1/2 TRACK ROD END LOCK NUT
    2@£0.42 = £0.84

    Product Cost £9.70
    Shipping Cost £3.46
    VAT @ 20% £2.63
    Total £15.79
     
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    I can tell you, having learned from experience: make sure you change the steering rack bushings. Otherwise, the steering rack will never feel right once you re-install it.
     
  11. Andy 308GTB

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    #11 Andy 308GTB, Oct 25, 2015
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    Thanks for the tip, I will certainly do this.
    I finally extracted the steering rack. How I will put it back is a mystery but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it :D

    The gaiters are in perfect condition and full of oil. The inner tie rods have no play in them.
    When I turned the rack there was no play whatsoever.

    But there was some vagueness/sloppiness/play before I started this adventure. Certainly when the car was pointing straight ahead, the steering wheel could be moved a fair bit before the car reacted. The only ideas I have are:

    1. Sitting on my bench there is no load and everything looks good. Does the play occur under load, i.e. in situ with wheels and tyres fitted?
    2. I've got rather ancient TRX tyres fitted, are the sidewalls absorbing the initial steering input?

    Any thoughts appreciated.
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  12. sp1der

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    Andy a lot of the play could be in the universal joints in the column, worth checking these too.
     
  13. Martin308GTB

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    #13 Martin308GTB, Oct 25, 2015
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    Are you sure, this isn't caused by the track rod ends? In an earlier post you mentioned, they are o.k., but who knows.
    BTW; there is only one bushing in the rack on the passenger side. You really should replace it. I once had my rack out to install,new gaiters and to seal the pinion housing. Checked the play on the passenger side and it was o.k.
    One year later that plastic bushing disintegrated completely all of a sudden.
    Meant removal of the rack once more and now doing the job thoroughly.

    I have also replaced the gear oil with a 000-grease, like Ferrari did on the later cars with the same rack design. Works like the hot knife in the butter and no leaks.
    (000= low viscosity grease for gears)

    Another question and hint. Did you some time experience a sticky feel in the steering? Maybe temperature dependend?
    A lot of people have this problem and replace expensive universal joints, roller bearings, though it's often the cheapest part in the steering column.
    If so, I would recommend replacing that bushing, where the steering shaft goes through the bulkhead.
    A cheap part and easy to replace at this occasion.
    And if you do it, Do Not lubricate it. It's a dry slide bearing, which gets sticky with grease.

    Best Regards
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  14. yelcab

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    You guys think this is hard? Try a 355.
     
  15. Andy 308GTB

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    Thanks Martin/Simon,
    I locked up the steering rack end of the steering column as best I could and waggled the steering wheel - there was little or no movement which suggests (at first glance) that the universal joint is OK. I will try a more conclusive test during the week.

    The Track Rod Ends do feel solid but I've got some new ones arriving in the next day or so, in any case. I pulled the gaiters just now and the Inner Track Rods have no movement in them.

    I will continue to see if I can find anything, as it stood it wasn't terrible but an MOT tester a few years ago did remark that it felt loose and that has created an itch that I needed to scratch. I certainly don't think I can make it worse...
     
  16. rkljr

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    Replace the bushing on the passenger side! I would be surprised if it were not damaged. The originals are made of plastic and fail (mine had play in it and my car has about 35K miles). Use a new Olite one as referenced in the Pantera rebuild instructions. I also used #0 grease (engine assembly lube), this is also noted in the Pantera guide if I am not mistaken.

    After replacing the bushing and relubing, the rack felt tight and smooth.

    Getting the rack back in is not difficult. Take your time to slide it in, secure it, and everything will bolt right up.
     
  17. David Lind

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    Did anyone ever come up with a source to rebuild steering racks? Another thread told of horror stories with replacement racks being riveted together, etc.
     
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    I imagine most independent shops could do it. These racks are used in a number of cars and thus there are multiple options.
     
  19. Martin308GTB

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    I made one of POM (Delrin) myself. Works perfectly. I spent some time thinking about, why they used plastic in the original design. Didn't find an answer, but could not see any advantages of metal, so I decided to maintain the damping effect of plastics.


    Best Regards
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  20. andyww

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    Delrin would be the perfect material for this. Metal would only work if permanently kept lubricated, which would only be the case if there was enough oil in the gaiter to get into the contact area.

    Someone mentioned Oilite bushes. These are phosphor-bronze if that is indeed what the metal ones are. They are supposed to be lubrication-free as they are pre-soaked in oil. But these really only have a very short life compared to Delrin and are not much used these days as Delrin is better all round.
     
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    #21 Martin308GTB, Oct 28, 2015
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    Yes, and one more reason, why I replaced the oil with 000 grease.
    Furthermore, with oil the upper pinion bearing is running dry most of the time.
    I forgot to mention; If making a bushing from plastic, of course keep and reuse the original outer sleeve.

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  22. rkljr

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    Bronze Oilite is what I used as per the Pantera guide. I also used the #0 grease as opposed to oil. Two years as smooth as can be.

    I do like the idea of Delrin but I think you would have similar lubrication issues.
     
  23. TonyL

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    I used these guys to rebuild the rack, good service and quick.

    Contact Us - Steering EAC - Power Steering Specialists - London and South East

    They also repaired the worn lower shaft where it fits in the bush and supplied an oversize PB bush. Perfect.

    The upper UJ joint nearest the steering wheel had a small knock in it so replaced that.

    Superformance do these or Parkinsons at Kings Lynn. It was a ***** to do so may be best to get them to replace it, Saves swearing in the garage at midnight!!

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  24. Martin308GTB

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    Andy,
    on the other thread you said, that you and an experienced mechanic checked your rack.
    Did you also check radial play on the passenger side?
    If there is, you will always have play in the steering, because the rack can move radial in the bushing, before it will act on the steering arms.
    Like mentioned before, I removed my rack once, checked it, found it o.k. and reassembled all. Only to repeat all one year later.
    I think, no matter how good things look at first glance. This bushing is 30 to 40 years old plastic always soaked in grease and probably brittle.
    Now I would always replace it without further investigations as soon as each rack is out of the car.
    I can understand, that it costs someone quite an effort to separate the track rods, but it's only necessary on one side. Then you are able to pull the rack with the other side's track rod still attached.

    Best Regards
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  25. Andy 308GTB

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    Hi Martin,
    The mechanic gave the rack a good looking over and was of the opinion that it was in very good shape. The inner tie rod ball joints were fine. I will be replacing the tie rod ends with new items.
    I am planning on removing the rack and inspecting the bearing even though I can't detect any radial play. I do understand the point you are making about there being a good chance it could break up at any time, so best to replace it now.
    But I do believe that my rack has been regularly lubricated and that is why it is in such good shape - and I will continue with this maintenance as long as I own the car!
     

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