What a mess... Skysport: Sebastian Vettel relegated to fifth at Mexican GP after penalty German given 10-second penalty for Daniel Ricciardo clash after stewards deem move "abnormal" and "potentially dangerous"; Ricciardo third with original podium finisher Verstappen fourth.
This is why F1 is a joke! Verstappen was 3rd in my eyes! The fact that you blow a corner isn't a reason to give a penalty in my opinion. IF thats the way they want to do things shouldn't they be consistent and given Hamilton the same 5 second penalty for the first corner as he locked up and blew the corner for an advantage...
I don't think it was simply because he blew the corner. It was because he was under attack by Vettel (who was about to pass him), blew the corner and then refused to yield the position (after being advised to do so by his team)
This is an embarrassment. Stewards look so biased toward certain drivers its turning into a joke. If Vet was to be penalized, they couldve given him a 5 place grid next race. Lewis start of race..blind eye..Crashtappen? Always a blind eye, hence the frustration of drivers and fans alike. Crashtappen is fast, but so was Maldanado. Max looks to b the next incarnation of him. Really turned off by Whiting/stewards reactions. Max started the whole chain reaction, Vet Ric looked to be racing to me. Red Bull is famous for boxing drivers..and sucking up to the stewards. And the stewards comply. Its as if theyre being paid off. Is this still a sport?
The only thing the stewards are consistent...is being inconsistent. IMO, Hamilton deserved that penalty. Gained huge advantage. Max too. Seb's penalty is definitely questionable. Why didn't Alonso get a penalty with his clash with Massa last week then?
F.1 as become a ****ing joke...and it's getting worse by the day...let's ngo to the fia site and blast charlie out of the water!!!
Well in my opinion, Hamilton should have got a penalty for the first lap... failing to follow the track limits... same for Verstapen.. for Vettel, I'm not sure. the moving under braking - I don't quite get. to me, when verstappen failed to give way ( he clearly got an advantage as he was further ahead than on the previous lap.... he caused Vettel to slow into the cluches of Riccardo... so its a knock on effect Vet and Ricc clearly touched wheels, etc... and Vet was ahead. fair & square -but that Vet avoided action caused by Verstappen for several laps - not fair which then put Vet in the reach of Ricc... I think next year they need to put in a Nerf wall diagonally so that you cant cut the corner with out a penalty....
Team later advised him not to yield because of Hamiltons similar 1st corner exit; - Hamilton blew the 1st corner in Mexico, if he actually tried to make it, he would've lost places as well, wrecking his tyres in the process - Hamilton overshot the chicane at Monaco 2015 but quickly cut the corner and in doing so managed to stay in front of Ricc. - Hamilton crowded Rosberg off track after race start in T1 of the Austin GP, Rosberg fell back. All no penalty given.
Vettel was backed up into Ricc by Max's refusal to give up the position. It was several corners and more than a lap right? I think Seb and Dani were ok with their racing. Maybe the stewards wanted to stick it back to Seb for saying F yourself on team radio? Who cares about that. The obstinance of Max is getting tiresome. He needs to check his child-like attitude and realize it's a man's sport with rules. What if Ricc and Seb collided and one of the was hurt? Max gained an advantage by holding speed through that corner. Hamilton was in front but maybe that should be penalized as well. Stewards need instant replay and faster decision making.
IMHO directives need to be given during the race with penalties, if needed, assessed in future races. Ignoring the issue during a race results in outcomes that not only affect those immediately involved but others as well. If Verstappen was directed to do what his team encouraged, we wouldn't be discussing this now...
What I find to be, oh so European is that they don't pass out penalties until it's over then they measure the severity of the penalty to match the desired outcome. Five seconds for VES, then 10 sec for VET. The Vettel, Ricciardo incident was racing. The notion that VES merely blew the corner is laughable. If you blow the corner you don't maintain your conversation. I think the penalties need to be more severe. I driver who does not give up the position during the lap where it happened, should serve a drive-thru. If he refuses, he should get a 30-second penalty. But VES offense was worse than just "missing" a corner, his subsequent actions impeded Vettel to the benefit of VES teammate, Ricciardo. The combination should have triggered a major penalty. I can't help but think that Vettel got whacked for insulting Charlie White. The root of the problem lies in current course design. Today's courses do not punish mistakes. Before F1 got uber-safety conscious, cutting a corner would have resulted in enough mayhem to cause a loss of position.
So why is LH opening corner cut not a penatly? Not being a Troll but is there an actual reason or just the stewards being the stewards?
There was NO order for max to give the position up, it was only suggested by the team. Max then said ''only when the FIA orders to'' (because for the same thing Hamilton did NOT get a penalty), the team agreed.
Turn 1 incidents are not normally reviewed. For that matter, Lap 1 incidents are not normally reviewed.
Simple, it is to keep the championship alive for the next 2 rounds and then have Hamilton win it in the last race just like the script says.
Re Hamilton. He had a front brake temperature issue going into the race and FIA presumably had access to this data. I also can't ever remember a driver (Hamilton or otherwise) having to drop a place in a race when he cut a corner while not racing wheel/wheel with anyone. I am happy to concede if I am wrong on this. Vettel had it coming with his radio chatter. The braking move was a convenient one for the FIA.
That's no excuse. If you have brake problem, you go slower, you don't charge like a bull. Also, it was lucky that the first corner at Mexico wasn't Ste Devote, eh ...
The brake problem Hamilton had was he missed the braking point and straightlined the corner. The only "glazing" was over the truth of what really went down. Other websites are having a field day with this fiasco, it is not reflecting well on F1. I especially enjoy the posts that are by the PlayStation crowd saying that is how they win in the Formula 1 video games. Well done by all involved, the empororer is missing it's clothes.
lol, exactly. If you watch the start you can easily see Hamilton braking too late. Rosberg/Verstappen are on the brakes and Hamilton keeps going...Only glazing he has was in his eyes!
Ham got away with one. The FIA/FOM could just add on the 5 sec penalty so that they seem fair and balanced. It won't even affect the championship they are attempting to keep alive. The only difference in what Ham did versus Ves was that it was the beginning of the race (and the safety car negated the gap). Vettel received a 'stfu' penalty, imo.(unjustly)
