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  1. BoomerTV

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    #1 BoomerTV, Jul 10, 2007
    got this press release at my home in Malibu:

    California: Stop Sign Cameras Installed on Canyon Roads
    A California park agency will ticket motorists with stop sign cameras July 9. Speed cameras to follow.

    Redflex cameraThe Mountains Recreation and Conservation Authority (MRCA) has installed the first-ever automated camera in the US designed to ticket drivers who make "boulevard stops" or slow to a crawl at a stop sign without fully ceasing forward motion. The little-known agency will begin issuing $100 fines next Monday, July 9, at Franklin Canyon in the heart of Los Angeles, located off of Mulholland Drive and at the top of Topanga.

    The stop sign devices are based on red light camera platforms, but they differ greatly in use. The more familiar stoplight cameras typically photograph a vehicle entering an intersection if a signal light changes to red between 0.1 and 0.3 seconds after the car crosses a stop bar line (view recent report). With the new stop sign cameras, a machine will make calculations to determine whether a vehicle did not stop for a long enough period and deserves a fine.

    The cameras are being installed as a prelude to the agency's expected installation of speed cameras on popular canyon roads, as first reported by TheNewspaper in April. Australian camera vendor Redflex will operate every aspect of the program in return for a $20 cut from every ticket the company is able to issue (view contract). California law explicitly prohibits both speed cameras and per-ticket photo enforcement contract provisions, but the MRCA believes the law does not apply to them.

    "Our Park Rangers are California peace officers and will always have traffic enforcement as part of their duty," MRCA Director of Public Affairs Dash Stolarz said in a June statement.

    In 2000, the California legislature banned photo radar with a statute clarifying that although it authorized the use of photo ticketing at traffic signals, the legislature, "does not authorize the use of photo radar for speed enforcement purposes by any jurisdiction." (CVC 21455.6) Another provision specifies that, "A contract between a governmental agency and a manufacturer or supplier of automated enforcement equipment may not include provision for the payment
     
  2. skyhigh

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    #3 dromer, Jul 10, 2007
    I have a good contact at the MRCA. I will see whats really up with this.
     
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    #6 gothspeed, Jul 10, 2007
    LOL :p
     
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    #7 KraigG, Jul 10, 2007
    wow..Big Brother is watching.....
     
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    #8 watt, Jul 10, 2007
    Park has no jurisdiction outside a park?????

    these things need to disappear, has anyone actually seen one in place?
     
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    They can't bust me on my bicycle, no license plates!
     
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    #10 AeroGT3RedWing, Jul 10, 2007
    I hope people fight these enough to clog up the courts and make it not worth the revenue. Sickening.
     
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    #11 Racer98, Jul 10, 2007
    Dont worry, 1 step ahead of ya.
     
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    Just ride naked on your bike.
     
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    #14 mnmblu, Jul 11, 2007
    Does that stuff really work????
     
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    Dooooooooooooooood, told you to lay off that 7/11 crap

    your going to be wired like this guy.
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    #16 mnmblu, Jul 11, 2007
    So... Katman, is there a cryptic answer in there somewhere? A simple yea or nay is what I was looking for.
     
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    #17 SrfCity, Jul 11, 2007
    The obfuscation usually means he doesn't know.
     
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    Usually? :D
     
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    YEP, Super high glosss with meatallic, its not an over the counter item you can get.


    its like that stuff the that is sold in a can that some people have been using to block the Red light cameras with that spray paint clear coat but the problem with the one on franklin cny is that its a Video recorder and soon to be followed is the speed cameras in the Cny areas.
     
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    +1
     
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    #21 Racer98, Jul 11, 2007
    However we all feel about this, some might have a pro and a CON view about this. The majority of the people feel this is a CON of the government and its band aid for a worse problem, and again it all comes down who is right & wrong about this.

    As some one mentioned there are laws in place that allow this and then there are laws in place that do not allow this as its a contradiction of the law or one law contradicting each other. Any way that it is put, you have a major metropolis city encroaching into the Santa Monica mountains area and people who are frustrated who live up there and its like they do not want any one passing thru their mountain neighborhood.
     
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    #22 mnmblu, Jul 11, 2007
    Damn Karim, that was a tough read. :)
     
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    #23 Modenafan, Jul 11, 2007
    I read it twice and gave up.
     
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    ;)
     
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    #25 BLUROAD, Jul 11, 2007
    And this one time at band camp...
     
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