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Strange Gear Shifting Behaviour...

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  1. aintveen

    aintveen Rookie

    Oct 22, 2015
    35
    Duesseldorf/Germany
    Full Name:
    Andreas Intveen
    Hi,

    Last week I took my 612 (MY2008) out of the garage after 6 months.
    I always shift using the paddles on the steering wheel. After a couple of kilometers driving, it showed a strange behaviour from time to time:
    - the car automatically went into „N“ showing „gear not available“ on display or
    - when shifting into 3rd gear, the „3“ in the display was blinking

    This happend randomly from time to time and I could switch into other gears afterwards again.

    Is that a fault in the software (after 6 months in the garage, but connected to the Ferrari battery charger) or is it a defect in the gearbox?

    Any thoughts very welcome

    Thanks,

    Andreas
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jul 19, 2008
    38,051
    Clarksville, Tennessee
    Full Name:
    Terry H Phillips
    First thing I would do is have the F1 system serviced and the clutch PIS and wear checked. All the 65 degree V12s with single plate clutch F1 or manual shifters can have clutch wear visually checked, too, with the possible exception of 599s and OTOs with their twin disc clutches. F1 service includes changing the fluid, bleeding the system, running a self test, and checking for leaks.


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  3. 360Marnix

    360Marnix Formula Junior

    Jan 4, 2017
    490
    Holland
    After a winter sleep of 4 months my 612 had a similar issue. After driving 2 kilometers the info display showed "gearbox failure, don't drive any further"

    Turned the engine of, started again and the message was there again. After idling about 3 minutes the message disappeard and never came back.

    The car had its yearly service yesterday at an official dealer and they checked the gearbox. There is nothing wrong with it. Happy me.
     
  4. aintveen

    aintveen Rookie

    Oct 22, 2015
    35
    Duesseldorf/Germany
    Full Name:
    Andreas Intveen
    Thanks for the responses. The car is with the local Ferrari dealer now for the regular service.
    Let‘s see what the friendly mechanics will find out
     
  5. randkin

    randkin Formula 3
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    Aug 2, 2015
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    I have had similar issues if I haven’t driven the car for a while. I also found turning the car off and restarting seemed to solve the problems. So I decided when I haven’t driven the car for a few weeks or longer I do an extra long warmup. I am not sure if that is actually an answer but it seems to have solved my issues of strange error messages - at least until something else comes along. :cool::D
     
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  6. RegW

    RegW Karting

    Aug 8, 2017
    62
    London
    You are victims of your own sins, which is to leave your cars undriven for too long! Why deny them a healthy weekly workout?

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  7. 360Marnix

    360Marnix Formula Junior

    Jan 4, 2017
    490
    Holland
    In my case the roads are covered with salt because of frosty conditions. I don't drive my 612 in wet salt!
     
  8. brogenville

    brogenville Formula 3
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    Apr 24, 2012
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    Robin
    I understand neutral dropping is often a symptom of the clutch nearing the end of its life.
     
  9. aintveen

    aintveen Rookie

    Oct 22, 2015
    35
    Duesseldorf/Germany
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    Andreas Intveen
    Mhhh...
    My car has only been used for 27k kms (18k miles) and the clutch has been checked 2 years ago with only 35% wear...
    I am curious to get the feedback from my local Ferrari dealer after inspection.
     
  10. Motob

    Motob Formula 3
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Nov 11, 2003
    2,238
    Frederick, Maryland
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    Brian Brown
    If the system checks out ok with no faults and clutch is not worn, then the dealer should perform a self-learn procedure. This is where the gearbox ECU shifts the transmission through all of the gears and relearns the values of the gear position sensors for each gear.
     
  11. 350MH83

    350MH83 Formula 3

    Jul 11, 2014
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    It might be that the gearbox oil needs extra warm up time after being left for so long, and some of it might get thicker as the oil degrades a bit when not mixed regularly (like oil gets thicker at the bottom and lighter at the top). The pump will then not be able to supply the correct oil pressure for some time, causing missed shifts.


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  12. Zaza

    Zaza Formula Junior
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    Jul 27, 2017
    582
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    Xavier
    I do not think so because I got the same issue last year and my car was used extensively, 17 000 kms during summer, message : Gearbox faulty, etc... going from 1st to N without notice and few hiccups. Finally I am not sure about translation, the "sensors" were faulty, that's all. It cost me only a set-up.
    Do you have a 599 in France Max ??
     
  13. 350MH83

    350MH83 Formula 3

    Jul 11, 2014
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    No I have a V12 Lusso.


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