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Strange noise from 360 manual transmission...

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  1. Rossocorsa360

    Rossocorsa360 Rookie

    Jan 11, 2007
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    I have been experiencing the following problem with my '02 360 Manual 6-speed :

    When the engine warms up there is a strange noise coming from the transmission when I'm driving slowly in traffic. The clutch and the syncros of the gearbox work fine, but there is a knocking sound when the car is moving at 5-10 mph in first or second gear, or when I am pulling from a stop and I am releasing the clutch.

    This happens only when the engine is warm ... what could it be ?

    Thanks !
     
  2. SoftwareDrone

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  3. Rossocorsa360

    Rossocorsa360 Rookie

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    Could be ...
    But it only happens when the engine gets warm ...
    If it was motor mount, wouldn't I hear it all the time ?

    Thanks !
     
  4. GCalo

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    Could be an exhaust issue occuring from the heat expansion and engine wrap and you then hear the banging from the exhaust tapping against the rear engine area.

    Mike,

    I may have news for you soon as we had discussed.
     
  5. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    You are going to have to get someone to look at it. I know those pretty well and from here all I can do is guess it's comming from the back half of the car and that doesn't do much good.
     
  6. Rossocorsa360

    Rossocorsa360 Rookie

    Jan 11, 2007
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    Thanks guys !
    I will definately get someone to look at it...
    I just wanted to hear your opinions.




    Greg, you could be right, because I recently had the stock exhaust put back on my car.

    Last fall I put a Tubi Style exhaust. Kept it on for a month and then decided to put back the stock exhaust (makes the car sound too much like a racecar, not for me).

    I had a bodyshop replace the exhaust (it seemed a pretty simple procedure, just take off / put back rear bumper) , so I guess they could have messed up !




    Another idea I had was the following :

    When I was looking closely at the engine, I realized than my car has no heat shields around the gearbox.
    I looked up some old photos on Ferrarichat and found that, at least on F1 cars, there are heat shields around the gearbox.

    Can someone with a Manual 6-speed car check to see if they have heat shields around their gearbox ?

    Maybe they removed the heat shields at the shop and forgot to put them back ???

    If that's the case, then my missing heat shields are the problem : heat from catalysts causing excessive heat for gearbox...
     
  7. GCalo

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    No heat shields on my tranny!

    It sounds exhaust related to me, and that's a simple fix.

    Where are you located?
     
  8. FERRARI-TECH

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    #8 FERRARI-TECH, Jan 11, 2007
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    Here are pictures of an 01 360 spyder 6spd trans thats in the shop.
    Hope this helps
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  9. GCalo

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    My bet that it's the right side exhaust outlet as you look at the rear of the car.

    It's tapping against a body panel in that area.

    Ferrari-tech's photos clearly show no heat shields.
     
  10. RayJohns

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    #10 RayJohns, Jan 12, 2007
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    Boy.. I've been all through that area back there working on my 360 and I can't think of anything off hand. If I had to make a guess, I would agree with Greg that perhaps there is a loose mount that is allowing the exhaust tip to bang the body or something. I would check to see how much clearance there is between the tail pipe tips and the body surround back there.

    The only other thing I can think of that might cause this problem is the heat shields around the half shafts for the transmission. If you look where the half shafts enter into the gear box, there is a shield which protects the CV boot from excessive amounts of heat from the exhaust system. On some cars the clearance between the shield and the rotating part is very small - to the point where the two can actually touch. My guess would be that perhaps the heat from the exhaust system is causing one of them to warp enough to chatter against the half shaft. At high speeds, it might get pushed out of the way, whereas at low speeds, it might chatter or catch and release against the outer edge of the joint enough to flex and produce a knocking noise when it snaps back. Just a thought. I would at least look down there and see if you can judge the distance around the shields. There are three 10 mm nuts holding each shield in place as I recall. When I installed my tubi and cats, I adjusted those to provide a little additional clearance (on mine, you could see on the right side one where it had contacted the outer edge of the CV joint and rubbed very slightly).

    Anyway, I would say it was a long shot, but it might be worth checking. Could also be a torn CV boot hitting something back there as it turns - but again, kind of a long shot. If the CV rubber boot does tear, grease will come out and the joint will fail. When this happens, it does produce a pretty sever knock as the joint buckles without proper lubrication. At higher speeds, you tend not to hear it, whereas at low speeds it can be heard more. My little sister had this happen on a FWD car year ago to the point where I had to drive 150+ miles behind her with grease and nurse the car home for her (stopped every so often to add more grease and (gasp) duct tape to the ribbed CV boot :)

    Knocking from the back of the car is never a good sign, so I would suggest you take a look at it as soon as possible. Have you checked to make sure all the wheel lug bolts are tight? I would also check to see if there might be a loose wheel wait that is hitting the brake caliper back there. I've had that happen on Datsuns and it can produce a knock as the wheel weight slaps the brake caliper at low (but not high) speeds.

    Again, just some ideas/guesses.

    attached is a photo showing the location of the heat shield back there.

    Ray
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  11. Rossocorsa360

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    You guys are amazing !
    Thanks for all of your replies and the photos you posted !

    I am taking my car to the shop first thing on Monday morning.
    I will let you know of the results...
     
  12. GCalo

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    We have nothing better to do with our time other than to analyze F Car problems.

    We are getting pretty good at it!!!

    If you were near by Ray would probably take your car apart for you. He's very good with that. It's like Legos to him!!

    Hope you find and resolve the issue.
     
  13. bill.jones

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    I am glad I found this thread. I am having EXACTLY the same symptoms as quoted. Noise seems to occur only on load or off load.

    So far I have checked wheel weights rubbing (ok), removed drive shaft heat shields (noise still there), rubber boots on universal joint/constant velocity joints (ok), wheel stud tightness (ok), exhaust heat shields (ok).

    The rubbing noise is quite loud and seems to correlate to drive shaft speed. It is definitely heat related as it only happens when the engine/transaxle is quite warm (after approx 20 minutes driving).

    I have also checked the drive shaft flange to transaxle bolts and they are all tight.

    I am at my wits end to locate this problem - any suggestions very welcome. The car is a 2000 model 360 stick shift manual and has done 32,000 km's.

    Ciao...
    Bill
     

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