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Strange - Roadside speed displays not setting off my Valentine 1 radar detector

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  1. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

    Oct 19, 2002
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    On two separate occasions over the weekend, I was in the 328 and noted two different roadside speed displays that did NOT set off my V1 radar detector. A third different speed display later on down the road did in fact set off the detector,

    You know - the little things on the side of the road that display your speed to you as you pass just to make absolutely certain you know you're speeding.

    These are typically K-band radar based, and make the V1 light up (frequent cause of false alarms).

    I'm at a total loss. Anybody know what's going on? Do some of these speed displays operate on their own radar band? It wasn't laser, either, at least as far as the V1 was concerned.


    Thanks,

    --Mike
     
  2. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    some use X band is my guess, and most people have x band turned off.
     
  3. lrattner

    lrattner Formula Junior

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    Mike- I had the same thing happen with my V1. Turns out that th V1 needed to be recalibrated by Valentine-I had to send it back to them. Check it out before the radar signasl you're not picking up is a roadside cop.
     
  4. drew365

    drew365 Formula Junior

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    I've noticed the same thing with my V1. I didn't worry about it, I figured fewer false alarms is better. It never fails to notice the CHP way in advance, that's my biggest concern around here.
     
  5. Mr. V

    Mr. V Formula 3

    Oct 23, 2004
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    I noticed the sensitivity on my V-1 had fallen way off; it no longer lit up like a xmas tree or beeped like crazy in places it formerly did.

    Worst of all, it didn't pick up some obvious cop / radar operations.

    I sent in back to the factory with a brief letter of explanation, they repaired or updated it (never said what they did) and sent it back, gratis.

    Man, there is nothing like a V-1 to save your bacon!
     
  6. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    Yikes.

    I am aware that you can turn off X-band. I know at one point in time, I did consider doing this. I thought that I had decided against it.

    I'm pretty sure I still get X-band false alarms, but will need to check to see what the "Allow X-Band" setting is.

    Sounding like I may need to send back to factory...

    Can anyone confirm that some roadside speed displays are X-band?
     
  7. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    Mr. V, do you remember if your V1 was under warranty at the time (less than one year old)? Otherwise, looks like they hit you with a $45 fee to cover diagnosis and repair.
     
  8. Craigy

    Craigy Formula 3

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    How old is your V1? If it's one of the latest gen V1's then it might be "junking" the signal. Or that's what the people at radardetector.net tell me :)
     
  9. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    What does that mean - "junking" the signal?

    I have V1.8 (circa November 2002). That's the latest before they put POP detection and Euro enhancements in. Since (as far as I know) they don't use POP here, no need to upgrade--and in fact, I think if you don't need POP it's better to keep the pre-POP stuff is what I gather from their website.
     
  10. davehelms

    davehelms F1 Rookie

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    I suspect you are talking about Lyons. Worst part is they set up radar directly behind the display right where the road turns and shoot the gun over the top of the display. Everyone gets used to the false signals and gets hit with the gun. Our neighbor (Boulder PD, just found out the hard way a short time ago.) With the Blue Grass Festival going on I knew the local law would be busy with traffic problems and not praticing their aim.

    Dave
     
  11. sandersja

    sandersja Formula Junior

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    If so... then mine is also mis-set or out of adjustment.
    I noticed these signs did not light up the V1 - likely in the same area you did this weekend. My theory at the time was that the sign was bogus and just making up speeds for display.
     
  12. Robin

    Robin F1 Rookie

    Nov 1, 2003
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    My V1 always catches those displays... while we're on the topic though, anyone notice that if you go really fast by them (like say you're trying to see how high you can get the number to go :) ) It simply flashes two dashes? Looks to me like the K band radar might have a hard time picking up speeds if you're accelerating by.

    -R
     
  13. Tyler

    Tyler F1 Rookie

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    Link to info?
     
  14. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    When putting in the serial number on the V1 Website:


    Status Report on Your Valentine One

    Serial Number XXXXXXXXXXXX

    V1 Description: Radar circuitry known in-house as V1.8. This is our latest and best performer on both radar and laser with just one exception—it lacks POP Protection. Of interest to those who drive in Europe, the latest V1 version also has a Euro Mode.

    Upgrade Recommendation: You have a sophisticated security system, and we’re cautious about recommending an Upgrade. If you believe in keeping up with technology, particularly if the POP Mode is being used in your area, then go ahead. V1’s approach to the POP problem is superior to all others in the industry. If you drive in Europe, you will appreciate our new Euro Mode which improves protection on photo radar as it is used in the E.U.


    This is updated wording from a few years ago... I recall that they suggested against the upgrade unless you needed POP. This may be purely so they didn't get swarmed though with upgrade requests!
     
  15. -AC

    -AC Formula Junior
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    Mike was it in Lyons? If it was I know my V1 picks up those road side speed checks.
     
  16. avalys

    avalys Karting

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    I have noticed that too with my V1 here in CT.
     
  17. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    Yep, that's right. One was a few weeks back on the way to the airport o E-470, and the other was related to the Lyons trip (can't remember 100% for sure where it was - in Lyons or just on the way).

    It's a bit concerning--it's measuring your speed (presumably with some sort of radar) and the V1 is quiet. Usually these are K-band emitters, maybe they're utilizing some special band--not sure that would be legal?
     
  18. BlackRX7Turbo

    BlackRX7Turbo Karting

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    I don't have a V1, but I do have a passport... it shows many of those signs as X band....
     
  19. -AC

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    Hey Mike on the next Breakfest run we can test your and mine V1 side by side to see whats up.
     
  20. RaDaRkInG

    RaDaRkInG Karting

    May 28, 2005
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    THE SIGN IS A FM-CW (Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave) SPEED SIGN SO YOUR V1 IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ALERT TO IT.


    This is according to Mike Valentine himself at Valentine Research.

    The failure to alert to a particular speed sign might have one of
    several causes:

    1) The speed sign may employ an FM-CW modulation technique to sense the direction of vehicles in its field of view. This feature is used to isolate departing from oncoming traffic. The V1 does not recognize FM-CW modulation as a valid police radar signal and tries to reject it. FM-CW is allowed for license-free "Part 15" devices by the FCC. FM-CW is not allowed for police radar. There are numerous traffic-volume sensors using FM-CW spread all around metropolitan areas these days that detector owners would rather not produce an alert. Otherwise freeway driving (in Cincinnati, at least) would be very annoying. It's a good thing that the V1 rejects FM-CW modulated signals.

    2) The speed sign may have drifted out of the police radar band from aging or temperature. "Part 15" devices are somewhat notorious for this behavior. Automatic door sensors and Doppler security sensors are both "Part 15" devices, too. Few automatic door sensors use FM-CW because of the added expense. The speed sign devices can afford the added cost of including the FM-CW modulating hardware.

    3) The V1 in question may need for our service department to have a
    look at it to make sure it is operating correctly."
     
  21. Mike328

    Mike328 F1 Rookie

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    Wow, that is stellar information and a great contribution. Did you email Mike Valentine about this specific issue, or is this a FAQ on the website somewhere that I missed?

    Thanks much for posting this--it's appreciated.


    --Mike
     

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