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Structural Front End Damage 458 italia

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  1. jwhite7891

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    Hello,

    I really need to find a proper mechanic in the Austin, TX area that will make the necessary repairs. I have all the parts to do the work but need a mechanic that can commit to repairing the front structural elements with or without a jig. (It can be done either way) Any help is greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

    John
     
  2. Melvok

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    Any photo's please !
     
  3. bobhitch

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    bloody hell - your accident or you bought the wreck?
     
  4. jwhite7891

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    My accident...so do you know anyone who could help me fix at a reasonable price in Austin
     
  5. bobhitch

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    I hope all involved are ok - good luck with your search.
     
  6. jwhite7891

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    so you dont have any contacts?
     
  7. bobhitch

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    sorry- from the UK!
     
  8. boobernackle

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    Your problem is many shops won't touch it because of liability reasons.

    Good luck with you search either way! I know some cars, like the Audi R8 and A8, have aluminum frames and there are a handful of body shops that are properly equipped to work on them. Maybe try giving them a call and perhaps they could provide better guidance? An Audi dealer should have a list handy and work from there.
     
  9. spyder625

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    amazing car though as your okay.. glad to hear I would call some local ferrari dealerships, they should be able to tell you who can fix things
     
  10. nmcclure

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    going to ask the obvious, but did you call Ferrari Austin to see who they would recommend if you could source the jig? I've seen worse, so I know it can be done....just not sure about in Austin.
     
  11. 100badboy100

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    Hi John

    I think I may have an idea....

    Now this may be a long shot.....

    On one of the episodes of Fast and loud they repaired a totalled F40....

    Now those boys are in Dallas and the garage they used was I think in Dallas as well and they had all the gear to do it...

    If you search out the episode on you tube I am certain they named the repair shop in there, and they did a top notch job.

    Hope that helps

    Regards

    Michael
     
  12. MalibuGuy

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    This is great idea. An episode about repairing a 458 would be fascinating to most.
    I think I know the car, Didn’t it end up as a black F40?

    If so the new owner brought it to an experienced factory certified body shop/ service center.
    They re did quite a bit of the work.

    These cars are pretty specific with a lot of details in terms of parts, fit, and construction.
     
  13. MalibuGuy

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    First of all, if this is your car, sorry for your loss, and more importantly glad you and or passenger weren’t injured.
    A new bumper, quarter panels, front tub, new trellis, new radiators can all be replaced.
    But things get dicey with the central front frame. There are some complex forms which are usually not repaired,
     
  14. MalibuGuy

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    In the third picture I think this complex form is shown with a crack and separation of the front member.
    The question is can this be repaired?
     
  15. Melvok

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    Of course it can be repaired! You only have to find a guy who is willing to do that.

    Many cars in other countries had the same front damage ... now on the road again ...
     
  16. killer58

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    The real question is will your insurance company cover it once it’s rebuilt?
    I know mine wouldn’t.
     
  17. MalibuGuy

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    The name of the complex casting I was referring to is called the Shock Tower Brace.
    Hope this is helpful to the owner,
     
  18. INRange

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    I agree that anything can be repaired given the skills required, time and money.

    That said the Shock Tower Brace damage is something unique. The weld was literally torn in half. I have done a lot of aluminum welding and have not seen something like that on that scale. Cracks and buckling yes...but a weld torn in half?

    That would raise a number of concerns about the stress on the surrounding material and the suitability of welding it. Simply re welding it won't work. For certain, I would trim off the damaged area and use a number of plates and gussets to add more strength to the area. If it was a track car....it is less of a cosmetic issue and more about adding strength.

    As to repair commentary.....when Ferrari repairs it in Maranello it is a much different liability (to insurance companies) than an independent or specialty shop doing the repair.
     
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  19. Motob

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    The struts that extend to the front of the car are torn off of the shock tower castings. I don't think that you can properly repair the damage without replacement of both of the shock tower castings or replacement of the entire front sub-frame. This is some pretty extreme chassis repair that requires the use of a proper chassis jig. Also, I don't think that Ferrari will sell structural parts like the the shock towers or struts to any body-shop that is not a Ferrari certified repair center.
     
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  20. MalibuGuy

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    Agree with all your comments.
    Trying to weld to aluminum castings with very precise geometries is extremely challenging and require some trial and error which can result in a casting which is no longer usable.
    Replacement rather than repair is probably the best approach. However, this part requires diassasembly and deconstruction of many components, and may require similar work on both sides.
    The expense of this work may ultimately prove not be justifiable.
     
  21. INRange

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    When I was at the factory last year in Maranello, a flatbed pulled up loaded with California frames. The frames are made off-site (nice welding too) and it wasn't exactly clear who made them for Ferrari (the tour guide called them a "supplier"). Just speculating but if Ferrari was to repair the car.....my guess is that they would start with a new frame. Given that they can assemble a new car from receiving the frame within a week....that would be a logical starting point.

    It just comes down to the economics....that's why an F40 is repairable and a 458 may not be. Even a television show would face the same conundrum when it came to repairing the frame. I think a lot of the car shows have gotten better but some of their work remains questionable on restoring salvage cars. They seem more interested in meeting a time clock and creating drama than doing a quality restoration.
     
  22. Alamo Gear Head

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    You may want to try Renown Auto Restoration in San Antonio, they have an amazing shop and have been known to repair high end and exotics.
    wwww.renownauto.com
    The damage to your car is pretty extensive, I can see why most shops wouldn't touch it.



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  23. Baitschev

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    Sell all parts of your car and spend 40000€ I think this is the Investment price of your repair,
    And Buy a new one.you have no headache......
    Belive me.
     
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  24. MANDALAY

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    Spare parts. The car will NEVER be the same. My 2 cents
     
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