http://******************/forum/showthread.php?p=607996#post607996 Can't post pic on here - pics on above link.
Me too.. do you know how to post pix here? It's supper easy. Click the Manage Attachments button under the window where you type these messages. Find the pix on your computer and upload. That's it.
The link has been automatically censored by the rules configured by the admins of Ferrarichat forum. If you type in links to other Ferrari communities based websites (non ferrarichat controlled) they all get censored, blocked from view, just like the Chinese govt. do with the web. I find this rather heavy handed and undemocratic and pointless (makes people even less interested in subscribing so they can post pictures then!). I actually subscribe to many Ferrari forums and this makes me want to stop posting on here. Very bad show. I really cannot see how this kind of cross Ferrari community link censorship helps with good feelings, sharing, the community and so on. Not impressed.
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i have always been a huge fan of the original factory bbs challenge stradale wheels for the challenge stradale and have never seen an improvement (in my eye), but these look good. i would have stuck with the original, but i think it is probably an issue of you needing a change after seeing the same rims for many years, so if that is the case, i understand and think these look much better than the various aftermarket rims availalbe which would most likely have ruined the look, in my opinion. for me, stock CS rim = perfect. if you need a change and don't want to go with BBS race rims, then these work great. i hope that you see this as a vote of congratulations rather than a diss. Look great!
Another fchatter put them on a black 360, that was quite an improvement over stock. But IMO, the CS is perfect and IMO should be left alone. I am also bias against the scud wheels, never really dig them since day one. The 16M option wheels are a different story though... These don't look bad on a CS at all, but can they beat the BBS on looks? Not in my book.
Wheels look great on your car. Perfect color combo! btw that's just the standard vBulletin layout...basically all VB forums have that style.
DrStranglove, I have got no issue with multiple forums having the same look and feel and I don't see why other should do either, actually makes things easier to use for the end user. When you study this forum a little bit deeper you'll find that (just like clubscud) fchat uses the exact same vBulletin software (commercial product) so they are bound to be very similar, pretty much any Ferrari community will look very much the same, thats the whole point! The content will however differ as they have different members... I think censorship at this level shouldn't really happen, its childish, as other have posted, there are many more members on here so let the individual decide if there are benefits to being subscribed to both (or only 1). For this individual and Ferrari enthusiast, yes there are indeed benefits for being subcribed to both, some experts on other forums that are not on here and vice versa. Some threads posted on there (like the scud one) that don't make it here. Choice should be down to the individual to make, not dictated, we do live in a democracy. I really enjoy fchat and when there is common enthusiast groups they shouldn't necessarily clash, the sum of all the enthusiasts knowledge bases are better than singular clubs alone.
As always numbers don't always necessarily indicate or add up to 'better'. There are posts on all the individual Ferrari forums that may interest you. Just shrugging it off is your loss I suppose. As an example, the Bianco Stradale thread (very popular on here) started life on other forums before Rob posted it here and its kept up to date and has other information and insights that didn't make it to here. Censorship is just not the internet way.
Hello Trevor. I would suggest if you want your club to stand out, make it... you know... stand out. I dont know of anything that was a success that was a carbon copy of something else.
I agree on that too, differentiation helps people have identity. Lets face it, internet forums are for information sharing with like minded people sharing a common interest, they all look the same, think of any subject you care to mention and you'll find a vBulletin forum hosting thousands of members. All these forums looking pretty much identical apart from colors and the upper left or right logo's and add banners FYI. I have no affiliation with either club except for being a member of BOTH (and others too).
I don't expect anyone to understand the business end of FerrariChat except me, but let me try to explain. FerrariChat.com was around before all these competitive sites. FerrariChat.com has invested 6 digits in advertising. Most of these other communities started from FerrariChat.com, by FerrariChat.com users, and in the beginning weren't the nicest to FerrariChat.com (some still aren't). If someone really wants to find those other sites it isn't difficult, but why should we give it away for free after our hard work and expense building FerrariChat. Of course the other sites want to ride on our back for nothing, I can't blame them, but that is the low road and we don't have to make it easy for them. In regards to CS I had forgot all about that block, things weren't nice at first, but there haven't been any problem lately I know of. I would be willing to open that link after some input from users. Now if I go over to CS right now and see some FChat hate thread, then that is going to take us back to where we started after several years of nice interaction.
Thanks for a very well thought out response. I understand the fchat is run as a business and in that respect its not prudent to actively promote competition to your 'customers' but with some of my business concerns if I cannot satisfy then sometimes (in the interests of my customers, in order to help them get what they need) I point them in the direction of my business rivals. It really works, they respect the help. Rivally also promotes healthy competition and without it any business ends up not satisfying the customer anyway so you eventually loosing any long term sustainability. In a former life as a Senior Management consultant working worldwide in different legal conditions I found the trend was that outright censorship never worked in the long term. I genuinely believe from the tone of the message and your well judged response already you've taken the moral high ground and encourage you to lift the censorships from any non 'hating' sites. Fchat is one of the best anyway and will continue to be so regardless, imho, lifting censorship rules makes you even better. Like US getting rid of Guantánamo Bay. Its a hard leap to make but the rewards will be reaped in respect.