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Stump the Experts Part 2

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by John Vardanian, Oct 16, 2004.

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  1. John Vardanian

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  2. kare

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    330GT - or do you mean what s/n?

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  3. John Vardanian

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    I initially thought it was a 330 GTC but, on second thought (notice the venting that would be between the wipers), I think Kare is right that it's a 330 GT. John, why do you disagree?
     
  5. cinevillage

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    can i buy this 250 lusso?
     
  6. GTE

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    Those aren't the wheels of a 330 GT, are they? They look to be much older than that.
     
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    John,

    Do you have the S/n for this poor Lusso ?

    Seb
     
  8. Bryanp

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    early PF Coupe? drum brakes and skinny tires?
     
  9. barchetta

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    John,

    The bigger question is when was this photo taken? Are either the Lusso or the mystery car for sale? If not, does the owner plan to restore either?

    Cheers,
    Barchetta

    P.S. I would second the vote on the PF Coupe based on Bryan's observations.
     
  10. kare

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    I think that your "drum brake" is the dust shield behind the disc brake. I also think that a wheel is easier to change than all of this (photo shows a 330GT engine compartment).

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  11. Miltonian

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    I'm glad that people found the photo (as I originally posted in the other "stump the experts" thread) to be interesting. As I stated there, I copied the picture from the January 1990 issue of Supercar Classics magazine, which means that the pic was probably taken in 1989, at the California home/workshop of Charles Betz and Fred Peters.

    According to the caption, the car next to the Lusso is a "tired 250GT frame". The text reads: "Outside in the yard are Lussos and 250GTs so rusty you'd think they will never be resurrected. One day, say Betz and Peters, they'll drive again."

    Here is another pic from the article (sorry about the graininess). In the driveway you can see Testa Rossa #0666, which they used to own.

    "Say, does that wreck have drums?"
    "Why yes, two of them, in fact!"
     
  12. John Vardanian

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    The engine mount makes it clear that it's a torque tubed car. But does the door cutout in the front resemble a 330's?
     
  13. ArtS

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    John,

    Early series 2 330's were 4 mount, later ones were 2 mount. My car has a vent between the windshield wipers. Sad. I wonder why they butched this one.

    Art S.

    That said, I'm not convinced its a 330.
     
  14. atheyg

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    Wow, talk about Ferrari abuse.

    I wonder what has happened with these cars if anything? The Lusso probably would not be worth restoring until recently unless they sold them in 1990.
     
  15. T0nyGTSt

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    I am amazed that it would be possible to restore a rusty Lusso shell to a 90 point concours car.

    How does one let a Lusso get into this condition unless it was burnt out?

    T.
     
  16. Miltonian

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    From the two pictures of the Lusso, it does not appear that the car had serious collision damage or rust damage. It may be that the car had been disassembled for restoration and sand blasted or chemically stripped, then left in the open, hence the overall surface rust. Even in the gruesome condition shown in these pictures, I would not be surprised to find that the Lusso had indeed been restored to its former glory.
     
  17. Bryan

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    Betz and Peters are among the foremost Ferrari restorers around. They were/are probably always on the lookout for parts and restoration candidates, regardless of conditon.

    The picture was from 1989, around the time of the feeding frenzy collapse. Fred and Charles may have had a lot of business then from people willling to pay to restore almost anything, in anticipation of high markup.

    They may have owned these hulks from the earlier times when Ferraris were "less" desired.

    People have restored cars to Pebble Beach level with even less than a rusty body. A key factor to final "value" will be if the matching number engine is available.
     

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